Which Restroom Should Transgender People Use?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Mirage, Nov 13, 2008.

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Should Transgender People Be Legally Allowed In Restrooms Meant For the Opposite Sex?

  1. Yes

    56.3%
  2. No

    43.8%
  1. Mirage

    Mirage Administrator Staff Member V.I.P.

    I've heard of legal cases recently where some transgender people thought they should be able to use public restrooms based on their "gender identity".

    Basically a transgender guy could say that he feels he should be able to use the women's restroom and vise versa.

    You can get in legal trouble for using the wrong public restroom if somebody complains. That's where the trouble comes in.

    I'm not going to tell somebody how to live their life, but is it really stereotyping and discrimination to tell people to use the restroom assigned to their PHYSICAL gender?

    What do you guys think? Should transgender people be able to use public restrooms intended for the opposite physical gender?
     
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2008

  2. SuiGeneris

    SuiGeneris blue 3

    No. The end. Why should they allowed to be in a restroom that they think they should be in? I think I should be in the girls bathroom because it's prettier, does that mean I can go use them now?
     
  3. VelvetRolo

    VelvetRolo Registered Member

    The equipment you use depends solely on the equipment you've got. Nothing else.
     
  4. DinoFlintstone

    DinoFlintstone "There can be only one!"

    That's true... if you're a gardener.


    I think if you were born male, whether or not you still have a penis or sprouted a pair of breasts, then you still use the mens toilets.
    I don't know about now, but not all that long ago, if a man had a sex change and he broke the law, and was to go to prison, then he'd go to a mans prison. If he's good enough for a mans prison, he's good enough to use a mans toilet.
     
  5. Envy

    Envy Band Nerd ♫

    I don't know, depends on what level of transitioning they are on, and the ability to make sure that they aren't doing it for perverted reasons. Although I'm pretty sure that a psychologist (which somebody has to go to, to be legally labeled as transgendered.) would be able to tell whether they are real or not.

    But I personally believe that there should just be a separate single unisex/bathroom. Than everybody is happy. ^_^

    I hope that somebody transphobia will die down, though. Being transgendered is no fun. :-/
     
  6. ysabel

    ysabel /ˈɪzəˌbɛl/ pink 5

    Yep, what Envy said. One of my bestfriends (AJ) is biologically a guy but I'm certain if AJ tried to enter a man's restroom, the guys would freak out and tell AJ to go to the ladies (probably thinking AJ made an error). It's a comfort thing, not just for AJ but also for the people around. AJ goes to the ladies' room and no one complains.

    Seriously, if I see a woman-looking person in the ladies' restroom and eventually find out later that the person is biologically male, what does that take away from me? Nothing really. :dunno: In the same way having a lesbian in a ladies restroom doesn't make me uncomfortable. It's not like we strip in restrooms or do other activities that would otherwise be uncomfortable around opposite sex. I don't even mind if the restrooms are unisex.
     
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  7. Tucker

    Tucker Lion Rampant

    Having had a glimpse into the terrifying world that confronts a young transgender friend of mine, I can tell you all with with no lack of certainty that this comment by Envy is an understatement of the highest order. Unlike the few 'shemale' porn actors that gain the most public attention by virtue of working in film, the typical transgender wants nothing more than to be like everyone else; to be accepted, to be inconspicuous, to escape prejudice and hatred, to love and to be loved. Their suffering, their hunger to be at home in their bodies and lead the lives that feel normal to them is so great that they often go to lengths unimaginable to most of us in order to achieve that elusive inner peace. And those lengths challenge the old definitions of "physical gender" and "opposite sex".

    A plausible ethical justification just isn't there. What obsolete Victorian notions do we cling to in denying these people the human dignity that the rest of us blithely take for granted? What threat does one of them pose in a public restroom that no other person could? If we find them abnormal for obsessing over the form of their genitals, what are we to make of ourselves when we do the same?

    Logistical questions are just as daunting: how will we classify people when surgical techniques and hormone therapies are perfected; make everyone submit to a DNA test before taking a pee at a ballpark or a movie theater? What about hermaphrodites? And could such a prohibition ever be enforceable, or would it be effectively and psychologically a slap in the face to transgenders for being 'different', and nothing of any greater value?

    When all is said and done, what is the real point? No, no, a thousand times no; I won't be part of any 'our kind is superior to yours' mentality. What century is this, anyway? Let's be civilized and allow a lady to relieve herself in a ladies' room, regardless of what her crotch looked like at birth. What rational concern is it of anyone's to know what strangers have protected in the sacred privacy of their underclothes?
     
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2008
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  8. Merc

    Merc Certified Shitlord V.I.P. Lifetime

    Agreed.

    You ever think about running for president Sui?
     
  9. icegoat63

    icegoat63 Son of Liberty V.I.P. Lifetime

    This is a tough one... I kinda agree on all fronts here.

    My first thought is... You use the tools you have, soooo if you're a transgender who's gone through full on gender reassignment then you may go as the gender you've been assigned. If you're just some cross-dresser with tube steak under that skirt then you belong in the Mens Restroom.

    But! I also agree that Unisex Restrooms are in fact the best way to go here. I believe enough people are generally mature enough to use the restroom with the opposing sex. If not.. I'm in construction, I get the joy of seeing all the useless rooms that Tenant Spaces have... it wouldnt take much to move that Vestibule over, toss out the Ante-Rooms and stick in a Third Toilet room (Unisex).
     
  10. RATTIE

    RATTIE Registered Member

    I personally couldn't care.
    There's only cubicles in a girls room so what does it matter anyway.
    If it was a ''girl'' in a boys room she'd have to use a cubicle too, unless she had already had surgery and had something to point.
    Besides, there's usually more and bigger mirrors in a girls room.
    If someone went in a boys room to powder their nose they would probably end up getting a booting.

    Anyways, doesn't everyone know someone who has used the opposite sexs' room?
    Did they call the police?
    Thought not. :rolleyes:

    I just don't see what the drama is. :confused:
     

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