Movies Westerns

icegoat63

Son of Liberty
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#1
So we went out and saw "Appaloosa" last night. It was a pretty good movie, I dont go out and see Westerns in the theatre all that often. Mostly because they are better watched at home in my opinion.

Any of you out there enjoy watching Westerns?
 

wolfheart

Registered Member
#2
I was raised on them,John Wayne was fathers favourite actor,so i grew up watching westerns,the last one i watched was 3:10 to yuma,i thought it was good.
I want to see Appaloosa but will have to wait god knows how long for it to be released here.
 

icegoat63

Son of Liberty
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#3
3:10 was a really good western. I got to see it for the first time last night also. We went and saw Appaloosa and I got in a Western mood.

You ever seen "Quigley Down Under"? Thats one of my favorites.

And same here, John Wayne was a staple in my house also.
 

wolfheart

Registered Member
#4
Yeah i got Quigley Down Under on dvd,i really enjoyed it,i thought Tom Selleck was great in that role,the action was really good and Allen Rickman does a bad guy to perfection!.
I would say its one of favourites as well,i also enjoyed Silverado,just aint got round to adding it the collection yet.
 

Duke1985

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#5
I just saw Appaloosa today as well, I thought it kicked a whole hell of alot of ass.

I myself am I huge western fan.

You should also check out Tombstone and Wyatt Earp if you haven't already seen them. They're pretty much about the same thing but Wyatt Earp explores more of his life then just Earp's time in Tombstone. I'd say Wyatt Earp is more historically accurate while Tombstone is more entertaining.
 

icegoat63

Son of Liberty
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Tombstone is possibly my absolute favorite movie... its not even a contest when it comes to Westerns for that one. I've adored that movie for as long as I can remember, probably seen it the better part of a hundred times.

Val Kilmers Doc Holliday was also probably one of the best versions I've seen in the movies. I've read some forums about people chiming in on the history of Doc Holliday and they've all attested that Tombstone (although not 100% accurate like you said) did a really good job of showing what the history books and personal accounts of Doc Holliday really looked like. I've always adored his attitude in that flick

Oh Johnny, I forgot you were there, You may go now.
 

DLFerguson

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SILVERADO
(1985)
Columbia Pictures


Directed by Lawrence Kasdan
Produced by Lawrence and Mark Kasdan
Written by Lawrence and Mark Kasdan


I absolutely love Westerns. Much as I love most genres of movies, if you gave me a choice between say, a Science Fiction and a Western or a 1940’s Murder Mystery and a Western or a Woody Allen comedy and a Western, 9 times out of ten I’ll take the Western. It’s a genre I grew up watching mainly because my parents were also in love with Westerns and one of my favorite childhood memories is when my father took me out to dinner at a fancy Chinese restaurant and then we went to see THE WILD BUNCH. And my personal list of My Favorite Ten Movies Of All Time includes not only THE WILD BUNCH but also ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST, which I think is the greatest Western ever made.

By 1985, the Western was being considered a dead genre as far as major theatrical films were concerned. Only Clint Eastwood has the necessary clout to get a Western made back then and nobody even wanted to take a try at one except for an ambitious writer/director named Lawrence Kasdan who was riding a wave of good fortune due to his screenplays for RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, THE RETURN OF THE JEDI and a couple of box office smash hits: BODY HEAT and THE BIG CHILL.

Lawrence Kasdan and his brother Mark were major Western fans since they were boys and really wanted to make one so Lawrence used every bit of clout he had to get the film approved and I’m glad he did because SILVERADO is a magnificently huge superwestern that looks, feels and sounds as if it had been made back in the great heyday of Westerns when guys like John Ford and Howard Hawks were doing their thing. The story is one that I’m pretty sure has every convention and set piece you can think of in a western: gunfights, gunslingers, barroom brawls, homesteaders being run off their land, sneaky gamblers with derringers up their sleeves, crooked sheriffs, saloons, cattle stampedes, wagon trains, pretty widow ladies, outlaw hideouts, evil cattle barons….I could go on and on, but I think you get the idea. If there’s something in a western that was left out of SILVERADO it certain wasn’t for lack of trying.

Emmett (Scott Glenn) is making his way home after spending five years in prison for killing a man in self-defense. After successfully fighting off an ambush by four desperados trying to kill him, he meets up with Paden (Kevin Kline) who was robbed of his horse, ivory-handled guns, stylish all-black outfit complete with beloved silver banded hat and left to die in the desert. The two men hook up and after making a pit stop at an Army fort where Paden gets back his horse and runs into a pair of old buddies, Cobb (Brian Dennehy) and the psychotic Tyree (Jeff Fahey) they go onto the town of Turley where Emmett’s goofy kid brother Jake (Kevin Costner) is going to be hanged come the morning. They take time to help keep Mal (Danny Glover) out of Sheriff Langston’s (John Cleese) jail and come the morning after Emmett and Paden bust Jake out of jail Mal returns the favor by using his sharpshooting skills with a Henry rifle to chase Sheriff Langston back to town.

The four heroes then proceed to have a wild series of adventures that include rescuing a wagon train of homesteaders stranded in the wilderness and taking on a band of thieves who have stolen the life savings of the wagon train. Mind you, all this happens before we’ve even gotten to the town of Silverado, which is being controlled by the ruthless cattle baron Ethan MacKendrick who has hired Paden’s old pal Cobb to be Silverado’s Sheriff. Cobb is harassing the homesteaders to leave and if they don’t they’re burned out and killed, like Mal’s parents. It isn’t long before the four friends are pulled apart by their own separate conflicts and loyalties and soon come to realize that if there is to be any justice in Silverado, they are the ones who will have to join back together and make it.

Now that’s the bare bones of the story but there’s a helluva lot of subplots going on because this is a mollyfoggin’ huge cast Kasdan is working with and each of his four leads are just that. They’re all leading men and Kasdan treats them that way. Glenn, Glover, Costner and Kline are all treated as equals in terms of skill, courage and respect. And each of the four leads have more than enough screen time to explore their motivations for having a stake in the future of Silverado.

Emmett and Jake have a sister; brother-in-law and a nephew who thinks his gunslinging uncles are just the coolest. Mal’s parents were homesteaders who were run off their land and murdered while his sister Rae (Lynn Whitfield) has willingly become a prostitute in town, hooked up with the local gambler, Slick Calvin Stanhope (Jeff Goldblum). Paden is torn between his loyalties toward his old friend Cobb and the wild life he used to lead and his new friends who are men of honor and respect while exploring his growing friendship for Stella The Midnight Star (Linda Hunt), Cobb’s partner in the town’s largest saloon and prostitution emporium. And both Paden and Emmett have a stake in what happens to the homesteaders as they’re both attracted to the extremely pretty and recently widowed Hannah (Roseanne Arquette) who likes the both of them a whole lot and is grateful to them but makes it perfectly clear that men who tell her she’s pretty come along every day and she’s looking for a man who’s willing to help her work the land, make things grow and build a stable life.

Like I said, you would think that with this many subplots, characters and settings that SILVERADO would be a confused mess but nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, the first half of the movie is a road trip in which we’re introduced to most of the characters so that by the time the wagon train, along with Emmett, Jake, Paden and Mal arrives in Silverado, we already feel as if we’ve been on the trail with these guys and feel comfortable with what’s going on. And once they reach the town itself, the rest of the characters are integrated smoothly into what we already know. It’s a remarkable job of writing and directing that shows that you can have a large cast and multiple storylines and not have the movie feel crowded or rushed.

The acting in this movie is top-notch. I don’t think I can remember right now a movie with this large a cast who were all so good. Scott Glenn and Kevin Kline are at the top of the list with performances that I think were based on Gary Cooper and Errol Flynn, both of who made more than their share of notable westerns. Kevin Costner’s Jake is a goofy daredevil who is probably the best horseman and gunman out the four but who tends to get into trouble for kissing the wrong girls. Danny Glover’s Mal is not portrayed here as a sidekick to his three white co-stars but is a hero in his own right and I really liked some of his scenes with Kevin Costner’s Jake and in those few scenes they had a real rapport together that made me wish they had a few more together.

Now you all know how I love movies that have bad guys who love being bad and this movie is chock fulla them, led by Brian Dennehy’s Cobb who I think goes through the whole movie grinning from ear to ear behind a bristling white beard. The secret to any good bad guy is this: he doesn’t think he’s the bad guy and Brian Dennehy must understand that because Cobb is extremely likeable. Sure he burns out innocent families and kidnaps kids and murders without a second thought but he’s such a damn nice guy while he’s doing it…

Jeff Goldblum is a real surprise. As the gambler Slick he is dashingly elegant and even though he has only a few scenes he makes ‘em work. Linda Hunt as Stella absolutely steals every scene she’s in and the relationship between her character and Kevin Kline’s is really sweet and genuine feeling. And when she gives him leave to go off on Cobb I defy you not to cheer. Who else is good? Joe Seneca. Earl Hindman. Pepe Serna (who co-stared with Jeff Goldblum in THE ADVENTURES OF BUCKAROO BANZAI) Brion James. James Gammon. And that beautiful musical score by Bruce Broughton is just perfect.

If you’ve seen SILVERADO then you’re probably a fan of it and if you aren’t, I urge you to go back and see it again in a new light. It’s the Western I recommend to people who claim they don’t like Westerns and after they see it most of ‘em come back to me and say that, yeah, they liked it a whole lot. Know why? Because at it’s heart SILVERADO is about four gun-slinging, hard-ridin’, two-fisted heroes riding from town to town having adventures and bringing justice to The Old West and if you can’t find it in your heart to like that then I’m sorry, amigo, you just ain’t got no heart.


 

KLaZik_BEATz

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#8
My favorite western is "For a few dollars more"
i watch a lot of westerns but the most popular ones are my favorites
i haven't seen the new 3:10 yet but if its even has as good as the original i think i would enjoy it

i think the new western need to get back to the spaghetti style
 

DLFerguson

Registered Member
#9
THE WAR WAGON

(1967)
Universal



Directed by Burt Kennedy
Produced by Marvin Schwartz
Screenplay by Clair Huffaker
Based on the novel “Badmen” by Clair Huffaker



THE WAR WAGON combines two of my favorite genres into one rip-snorting package: The Western and The Caper Film. I absolutely love a good horse opera and many of my favorite movies are westerns that I can watch over and over again. And I love a good caper. I just enjoy the hell outta seeing a bunch of expert thieves steal something that everybody says can’t be stolen. Maybe it’s because most thieves are so inept in real life and never seem to be able to pull off their heists with the aplomb and style movie thieves do.

THE WAR WAGON can be classified as the western version of an armored car heist. The title vehicle is an armored fortress on wheels that is protected by a Gatling gun and 32 heavily armed riders on horseback and the entire convoy gallops along at full speed from start to finish. Nobody has ever successfully been able to rob The War Wagon and it’s owner is about to transport the largest shipment of gold The War Wagon has ever carried: a half million dollars.

Taw Jackson (John Wayne) has a carefully put together plan to rob The War Wagon and the way he sees it, he’s got a right to the gold. After all, it came off his land that was stolen from him by Frank Pierce (Bruce Cabot). Pierce had Taw framed for murder and sent to prison and in the years that Taw has been incarcerated, Pierce has been stripping Taw’s land of the gold. Taw assembles a motley crew to help him take The War Wagon: Lomax (Kirk Douglas), a gunslinger for hire who once almost killed Taw. Levi Walking Bear (Howard Keel), an Indian fully assimilated into the ways of the white man who talks a Kiowa tribe into the heist. Billy Hyatt (Robert Walker) is an uncontrollable drunk until it comes time for him to handle explosives and then he’s as calm and centered as Sunday morning. Wes Fletcher (Keenan Wynn) works for Pierce and his inside knowledge of The War Wagon’s schedule and Pierce’s organization is vital to the success of the heist.

The plan gets complicated when Pierce contacts Lomax and offers him $12,000 dollars to kill Taw once and for all. Taw has also got to keep Billy Hyatt away from not only the firewater but Wes Fletcher’s extremely pretty young wife who shows just as much of a liking for Billy as he has for her.

One thing you notice about THE WAR WAGON that is different from other roles John Wayne has played: usually in a movie like this, whenever the hero comes back looking for revenge for wrongs done to him, he can usually find a few townspeople willing to help him out. Not here. In fact, when Wayne’s character returns to town, it’s almost as if the townspeople act like Taw Jackson deserved what happened to him. Taw doesn’t have a friend to back him up and indeed, he spends a lot of this movie looking over his shoulder to make sure that Lomax doesn’t try to collect the sure $12,000 bucks as opposed to a share of the half million.

There’s really no point in reviewing John Wayne’s performance in a Western is there? No other American actor looked so comfortable sitting in a saddle as Wayne or so at home in the film genre that made him a legend. John Wayne never looks right when he acts in a contemporary movie, such as his Dirty Harry-ish cop movies “McQ” and “Brannigan” and indeed, he looks seriously out of place. Not so here. Wayne’s right at home on the range where he belongs. Kirk Douglas is equally Wayne’s match as the flamboyant gunslinger Lomax and Kirk Douglas is probably the only man who can look tough while wearing a tight leather shirt. They have some nice sarcastic dialog between them such as the scene where they simultaneously shoot two men. Douglas says: “Mine hit the ground first.” Wayne replies without missing a beat, “Mine was taller.”

If the movie has any major faults is that there’s no really memorable villain here. Bruce Cabot’s Pierce is a little more than a glorified bookkeeper with a mean streak. He’s always hiding behind a wall of flunkies and sneering at Wayne from behind the safety of his hired guns. The movie’s all about the heisting of the gold and that’s it. But it’s an enjoyable heist with loads of action and with interesting supporting roles from some familiar faces. Look for Bruce Dern early in the movie and Gene Evans (who starred in Sam Fuller’s classic war film: “The Steel Helmet”) is in this one as well. THE WAR WAGON isn’t a hard movie to find if your cable/satellite provider has Turner Classic Movies. It seems to air there at least once a month, usually on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon and while it may not be on the level of other Wayne westerns such as “Rio Bravo” “El Dorado” “The Shootist” or “True Grit” it is good watching if you’re into westerns or caper films. And make sure you tune in on time so you can catch the rousing “Ballad Of The War Wagon” sung by Ed Ames.


101 minutes
There’s no rating but don’t worry. We’re not talking about a Sam Peckinpah western here. The violence is strictly bloodless and tame by today’s standards.

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3:10 TO YUMA

2007
Lionsgate Films

Directed by James Mangold
Produced by Cathy Konrad
Screenplay by Halsted Welles, Michael Brandt and Derek Haas
Based on the short story by Elmore Leonard


Those of you who know me from past movie reviews I’ve written (Warning: cheap huckstering ahead!) which you can find collected in “Derrick Ferguson’s Movie Review Notebook” available through Lulu.com know that my favorite genre of movie is The Western. I love movies, period and I am the type of movie nut that will literally watch anything. Yes, even chick flicks. But Westerns…man, that’s my huckleberry right there. Give me a Saturday afternoon, two or three good Westerns to watch along with some cheeseburgers, potato chips and plenty of Coca-Cola and leave me alone. That’s why it was just such an orgasm for me to go see 3:10 TO YUMA. It’s been so long since I’ve been able to go to a movie theater and see a Western on a big screen that I couldn’t even remember the last time I saw a Western in a theater. I want to say “Silverado” but it couldn’t have been that long ago. In any case, just the idea of going to the movies to see a Western was good enough for me and thankfully 3:10 TO YUMA turned out to be a terrific movie. It’s not one of these “Revisionist” Westerns or a Western where the director is really trying to tell an allegory about Our Modern Times. It’s a horse opera, plain and simple. Told extremely well with outstanding performances by Russell Crowe and Christian Bale.

Dan Evans (Christian Bale) is a struggling Arizona farmer desperately trying to hold onto his land. He’s lost a lot already. Part of his leg was taken from him in The Civil War and he no longer has the respect of his oldest son William (Logan Lerman) or his wife Alice (Gretchen Mol). Dan is determined to hold onto his farm even though his water has been dammed up and his barn burned down by the local land baron. His chance to hold onto his land comes when the outlaw Ben Wade (Russell Crowe) is captured in the nearby town of Bisbee. Ben Wade and his gang have robbed the Southern Pacific Railroad 20 times and their representative Grayson Butterfield (Dallas Roberts) offers $200 dollars to any man who will help him take Wade to a town two days ride away where a prison train will take Wade to Yuma. Dan is eager to sign up along with Doc Potter (Alan Tudyk) the sheriff’s deputy (Kevin Durand) and bounty hunter Byron McElroy (Peter Fonda) who was the only survivor of Wade’s most recent robbery and would rather just put a bullet in his brain rather than see him hang.

The journey is not going to be an easy one. Dan and the others are pursued by Wade’s gang, led by the terrifyingly dangerous Charlie Prince (Ben Foster) Wade’s right-hand man who seems to take it as a personal insult that Dan and the other have even dared to presume to think they’re going to take Wade in to hang. And then Dan and the others have to take a detour through country infested with bloodthirsty Apache renegades. To make Dan’s situation even worse, his son William has taken it into his head to come along against Dan’s wishes as the 14 year old boy is plainly infatuated with Ben Wade’s legend.

There are a lot of things that makes 3:10 TO YUMA work for me but I’ll give you the main three: One is the story. It’s a simple story, sure. But in Westerns it’s the simple stories that work the best. The motivations of the characters is the grease that makes the engine of the story run smoothly and everybody in this movie has a good reason for where they are and why they do what they do. Second are the performances. The actors in this movie all look as if they’re actually inhabiting the period they’re supposed to be living in. The problem with a lot of recent Westerns I’ve seen is that they’re miscast and the actors look as if they’re playing dress up. Not here. And three is the location shooting. 3:10 TO YUMA was filmed in New Mexico and it looks absolutely terrific. It has the look of vintage 1950’s/1960’s Westerns.

The relationship between Dan Evans and Ben Wade is at the heart of this movie and both Christian Bale and Russell Crowe do splendid jobs of acting. Russell Crowe doesn’t play Ben Wade as a foaming-at-the-mouth-mad-dog killer. Wade is surprisingly intelligent, charming, educated, artistic and talented. In fact, he’s probably the smartest person in the movie and he has a scary insight into human nature. He can sit down with you for five minutes and tell you things about yourself you’ve kept shut up deep inside yourself for years. Dan Evans is nowhere near as smart or intelligent or talented. But he has a soul. A soul that intrigues Ben Wade and one he comes to respect. One of the best things about the movie is seeing how the relationship between the two men develops in ways I certainly didn’t see coming.

Christian Bale is an actor that I think one day is going to achieve the status reserved for Brando and Olivier. He’s just that good. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him give a bad performance and I’ve followed his career since “Empire Of The Sun”. I was really interested in seeing how he would handle himself in a Western and I enjoyed his performance a lot. He takes to the Western like a duck takes to water and I certainly hope he does more of them. As for Russell Crowe, this isn’t his first Western. He did a great job in Sam Raimi’s “The Quick And The Dead’ and here he makes his Ben Wade a totally absorbing and interesting character, one that we watch just to see what he’ll do next because this is the type of guy who never does or says what you expect.

The supporting cast does a fine job in the roles and I really liked Peter Fonda here, considering that his dad Henry was in what I consider the finest Western ever made: Sergio Leone’s “Once Upon A Time In The West”. Peter has a lot of fun playing a tough-as-horsehide bounty hunter here. Fans of the TV show “Firefly” will want to keep an eye out for Alan Tudyk who plays a horse doctor who discovers he’s also a man of action.

The action scenes are thrilling and just what I expect from a Western. There’s gunplay aplenty, especially during the last half hour of the movie where we have a number of plot twists that are thrown at us in such a way that I defy you not to be sitting on the edge of your seat. And I’ve said this about a number of recent movies but I’m going to say it again: much as I love CGI there’s some movies you don’t need it for and The Western is one of them. Sometimes it’s a pleasure to go see a movie where it’s Real People doing the stunts.

So should you see 3:10 TO YUMA? If you’re as big a Western fan as me, Hell, yes. Even if you’re not a Western fan and just want to see a movie with great action, solid acting and stunning cinematography, yes. If you’re a fan of Russell Crowe and Christian Bale, definitely. They give wonderfully strong, fully characterized performances here. 3:10 TO YUMA is one of those movies that if you didn't see it in the theater then you need to rent or buy the DVD and catch up on it.



120 minutes
Rated R
 
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dDave

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I haven't really seen tons of westerns but a lot of them that I have seen I think are pretty good.

Maverick is one of them, that's a great movie, and the best part is that I like poker.

tom Selleck is also really good he makes my favorites every time he makes them.