UK students punished for refusing to pray to Allah

Nevyrmoore

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Schoolboys punished with detention for refusing to kneel down and pray to Allah | Mail Online

Two schoolboys were given detention after refusing to kneel down and 'pray to Allah' during a religious education lesson.

Parents were outraged that the two boys from year seven (11 to 12-year-olds) were punished for not wanting to take part in the practical demonstration of how Allah is worshipped.

They said forcing their children to take part in the exercise at Alsager High School, near Stoke-on-Trent - which included wearing Muslim headgear - was a breach of their human rights.

One parent, Sharon Luinen, said: "This isn't right, it's taking things too far.

"I understand that they have to learn about other religions. I can live with that but it is taking it a step too far to be punished because they wouldn't join in Muslim prayer.

"Making them pray to Allah, who isn't who they worship, is wrong and what got me is that they were told they were being disrespectful.

"I don't want this to look as if I have a problem with the school because I am generally very happy with it."

Another parent Karen Williams said: "I am absolutely furious my daughter was made to take part in it and I don't find it acceptable.

"I haven't got a problem with them teaching my child other religions and a small amount of information doesn't do any harm.

"But not only did they have to pray, the teacher had gone into the class and made them watch a short film and then said 'we are now going out to pray to Allah'.

"Then two boys got detention and all the other children missed their refreshment break because of the teacher.

"Not only was it forced upon them, my daughter was told off for not doing it right.

"They'd never done it before and they were supposed to do it in another language."

"My child has been forced to pray to Allah in a school lesson." The grandfather of one of the pupils in the class said: "It's absolutely disgusting, there's no other way of putting it.

"My daughter and a lot of other mothers are furious about their children being made to kneel on the floor and pray to Islam. If they didn't do it they were given detention.

"I am not racist, I've been friendly with an Indian for 30 years. I've also been to a Muslim wedding where it was explained to me that alcohol would not be served and I respected that.

"But if Muslims were asked to go to church on Sunday and take Holy Communion there would be war."

Parents said that their children were made to bend down on their knees on prayer mats which the RE teacher had got out of her cupboard and they were also told to wear Islamic headgear during the lesson on Tuesday afternoon.

Deputy headmaster Keith Plant said: "It's difficult to know at the moment whether this was part of the curriculum or not. I am not an RE teacher, I am an English teacher.

"At the moment it is our enterprise week and many of our members of staff are away.

"The particular member of staff you need to speak to isn't around. I think that it is a shame that so many parents have got in touch with the Press before coming to me.

"I have spoken to the teacher and she has articulately given me her version of events, but that is all I can give you at the moment."

A statement from Cheshire County Council on behalf of the school read: "The headteacher David Black contacted this authority immediately complaints were received.

"Enquiries are being made into the circumstances as a matter of urgency and all parents will be informed accordingly.

"Educating children in the beliefs of different faith is part of the diversity curriculum on the basis that knowledge is essential to understanding.

"We accept that such teaching is to be conducted with some sense of sensitivity."
Okay, what the fuck? That grandfather has it right, if they forced someone else to pray to God, there'd be a large fucking outrage, but a couple of Brits refuse something similar? "Fuck you whitey, you're being disrespectful"?

Three words, fuck. That. Shit.
 

Pugz

Ms. Malone
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Dude, not to be disrispectful or anything but you couldn't make me pray to Allah if you put a gun to my head and threatened to pull the trigger.

I remember praying at the end of the day at junior school when i didn't know better, but to do it at that age when people have the right to choose their own religion is...disgusting!

I was gonna make a terroist comment/joke but not all muslims are terrorists.
 

Bananas

Endangered Species
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This story has media spin all over it. (its in the Dailyfail for starters)

I honestly doubt they are being forced to pray to Allah. Emulating something for educational purposes is a lot different to forcing religion onto someone. It is worrying that this is not blatantly obvious.

The UK education system allows parental discretion regarding religious education. If the parents don't want their children to receive Religious Education there is no reason why they can not have the children removed from those classes. Religious education class is not compulsory and they should of realised that their kids would be taught about other religions sometimes by practical methods.

When I received R.E. I had to learn the 10 commandments and the Lords prayer, it did not make me anymore Christian reciting them. Whilst in French class I had to adorn a berret and learn La Marseillaise (Aux armes citoyens, formez vous battalions:)), it did not make me anymore French. When I was really young I even remember dressing up as a Viking for a history class but did not go as far as raping and pillaging the town!

Copying, imitating and acting out is a proven teaching method, just because the subject is Islam is no exception. The school has done little wrong in my eyes, it is the parents choice to if the children should be taught religion and it is the teachers responsibility to teach it.
 
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Pugz

Ms. Malone
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RE isn't optional, just the GCSE exam.

Imitation is not part of RE, when i learnt about Islam i learnt about the 5 pillars and some things in the ka-ran and that was it; i was never told to kneel west and pray to some god i don't believe in and if i was i'd tell them to fuck off. If Islams were told to imitate Christan prayer they would kick off and the teacher would be labeled a racist.
 

Tainted_Glory

Not a Scientologist
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Wait, so you're telling me that you can put a viking suit on and NOT rape and pillage the town? Absurd.

Being a little serious here... Even trying to make me act out praying to Allah is punishable by a swift kick to the teeth. From me. I don't know how Brits take care of their religious zealots, but that's how I do it. And it works pretty well.
 

Bananas

Endangered Species
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RE isn't optional, just the GCSE exam.
If a parent asks the school to remove their child from religious education the school must abide. It is optional for the child at 14 before then it is at the parents discretion. RE is not a part of the National curriculum.

i was never told to kneel west and pray to some god i don't believe in and if i was i'd tell them to fuck off.
You fail to see the point that they are not being asked to pray to some god they dont believe in.

Emulating something is not praying in the slightest. If they were being forced to pray they would be frog marched down the local mosque six times a day whilst having Sharia law imposed on them, if they learnt this in class they would realize this! Getting on ones knees whilst facing Mecca and reciting some verses is not praying, praying comes from the heart and soul of a person, it comes from belief and is more than just actions and words.

If Islams were told to imitate Christan prayer they would kick off and the teacher would be labeled a racist.
You base this assumption on what? ... the same principle that this newspaper and yourself is doing the exact thing you assume they would.
 

Pugz

Ms. Malone
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If a parent asks the school to remove their child from religious education the school must abide. It is optional for the child at 14 before then it is at the parents discretion. RE is not a part of the National curriculum.
Schools will not remove students from a lesson because that will leave a gap in the timetable, and they don't want to be liable if something should happen to that student during those 50mins or so

You fail to see the point that they are not being asked to pray to some god they dont believe in.
You're right, they're being told and threatened with detention.

You base this assumption on what? ... the same principle that this newspaper and yourself is doing the exact thing you assume they would.
"But not only did they have to pray, the teacher had gone into the class and made them watch a short film and then said 'we are now going out to pray to Allah'.
THAT ^ And i went to a school where the whites were out numbered by the Islams and Muslims, you say ANYTHING-make an opinion about their religion and you were labeled a racist and beaten up after school.
 

TimmehD

Registered Member
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THAT ^ And i went to a school where the whites were out numbered by the Islams and Muslims, you say ANYTHING-make an opinion about their religion and you were labeled a racist and beaten up after school.
Heh, nice to live in a 97% white town.

Sure, it may have been a practical method of explaining how it was done, but I don't see why the students would have to do it. Shouldn't a volunteer or the professor doing it be enough? It kind of sucks to see British land being pretty much overrun with Islamic people, kind of throws off a culture.
 

Pugz

Ms. Malone
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It's sickening to be honest and most of us can see a civil war breaking out between us and them.

Yorkshire, where i live, has one of the biggest mosques outisde of London...up the road in Bradford...