Turkey shoots down Russian jet

[Hilander]

THE pilots of a Russian fighter jet shot down by Turkish authorities have reportedly been killed, according to Syrian rebel groups.

Turkish authorities said a Russian warplane was shot down near its border with Syria after it ignored repeated warnings that it violated the country’s airspace.

Syrian rebel groups claim both the pilot and a crew member were killed after they ejected from the damaged jet plane.

http://www.news.com.au/world/middle...r/news-story/02905f7e0d3270c4410d5de31722b785

I can't stand Erdogan but when you keep invading someones airspace they will eventually start trying to shoot you down. Russia would do the same thing if it were their airspace being invaded.

I have to wonder how this is going to play out considering Turkey is a member of NATO.

Thoughts?

 

[Major]

Of course Russia is claiming that they never crossed into Turkish airspace. A lot of people are saying the Turkish jets should have escorted the Russian jet out of its airspace instead of shooting it down. This is an interesting situation. Hopefully it doesn't escalate.

 

[Hilander]

I hope it doesn't escalate either but Putin is mad and they have a long history of fighting with each other so who knows. I know Turkey wasn't happy with the treatment of the Tartars when Russia invaded Crimea so there is a lot of bad blood there.

I don't understand why the Russian pilots would fly into Turkish airspace after being warned so many times not to right before this incident. I have to wonder if it was their way of poking the Turks and thought they wouldn't do anything.

If the Russians were in Turkish airspace after being warned before this incident and other times I can't say I blame them but they should have never shot the pilot after ejecting from the plane.

 

[Babe_Ruth]

Great timing, Thanksgiving this week and all for the US. I always wondered when the turkeys would fight back.

In all seriousness, If you've been following Russia's actions in Syria, it's not a big shock this happened. Russian planes have been flying over Turkey since it started.

 

[Dr4gon]

Had to happen. It all started when Russia wanted to do airstrikes to cover for the PYD.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/russian-support-of-kurds-in-syria-ticks-off-turkey/

But the PYD is the Syrian branch of the PKK and it's the PKK that's been killing tens of thousands of Turks and is on the American Terrorist list. The PYD isn't but they are near the Syrian border so when Russia helps them it sets Turkey off.

Turkey already knows Russia wouldnt bomb Turkey so imo Turkey was just waiting for any excuse to hit Russia and call NATO.
Russia should have known this would happen and stopped flying into Turkish air space but they didnt. Now NATO doesnt want it to escalate but since Russia and Turkey arent talking (even Lavrov cancelled his visit to Turkey) anything can happen. Also Lavrov advised Russians not to visit Turkey and called Kerry a "skir-wearing woman" (LOL).
https://www.rt.com/news/323284-lavrov-cancels-visit-turkey/

Imo this totally will... escalate.

 

[Hilander]

Also Lavrov advised Russians not to visit Turkey and called Kerry a "skir-wearing woman" (LOL).

Sounds like Russia has its own version of Donald Trump. If Trump gets elected they can have a name calling contest.

 

[Hilander]

Russia warned the incident – the first time a Nato country has downed a Russian military jet since 1953 – would have 'serious consequences'. And a leading Moscow military analyst said war was 'most likely'.

Putin has broken off any military contact with Turkey in the fight against ISIS and is deploying a warship, with an air defence system, to the Mediterranean Sea. The cruiser will destroy 'any targets representing a potential danger' to Russian forces in Syria.

Its defence ministry also said that Russian bombers carrying out airstrikes in Syria will now be escorted by jet fighters.

Britain has already declared that military back-up is on standby to support Turkey in any revenge attack by Putin's forces. President Barack Obama also pledged America's support for Turkey following a phone call with Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-war-likely-Moscow-analyst.html#ixzz3sSrOkgZS

I don't know if this is the beginning of WWIII or saber rattling.

 

[Babe_Ruth]

Putin says there will be consequences.

Turkey sounds like a real problem. Very pro-ISIS.

 

[Powerful]

Putin will take it out on the Sunni Syrian rebel groups Turkey supports, which are just as awful but less ambitious than ISIS.

 

[Dr4gon]

Sounds like Russia has its own version of Donald Trump. If Trump gets elected they can have a name calling contest.

ROFL! Yeah I heard some stuff that Trump and Lavrov said and they totally could be clones in the same country!

1st a minute of silence for Lt. Col. Oleg Peshkov and Alexander Pozynich.
Peshkov recieved the Hero of the Russian Federation award and Pozynich recieved the Order of Courage - both posthumously. The governor of Lipetsk is offering assistance for the family of Peshkov.
Pozynich died during a rescue op. He left a wife and 2 very young kids in Novocherkassk. Peshkov left a wife, a young son and a older daughter. Captain Konstantin Murahtin was rescued by the Syrian army and is now in a hospital in Syria. He was the pilot of the Sukhoi 24.
Memorial services are both planned and being held for both victims.

Imo it's mostly just saber rattling. And it doesnt really matter if Russia violated Turkish airspace for 17 seconds. What really matters is that Turkey buys a ton of ISIS oil and doesnt support fighting ISIS since ISIS hates on Kurds and Assad.
So yeah they will try to target anyone that supports either one.

But I think the deployment of the "Moskva" missile cruiser and the upcoming S-400 anti-missile system at the Hmeymim airbase in Latakia are mostly just muscle flexing. Its just how the Kremlin tells Turkey they wont tolerate any more serious issues.

I doubt it can start WW3 but it could complicate the fight against ISIS. Also any economic tit-for-tat retaliations will hurt both the Russian and Turkish economies.

EDIT
Theres still something I dont get.

The Turkish military later released what it said was an audio recording of a warning to a Russian fighter jet before it was shot down near the Syrian border. A voice on the recording can be heard saying "change your heading" in English.

http://news.yahoo.com/turkeys-erdogan-says-does-not-want-escalation-russian-084024075--business.html

How many Russian pilots speak English? It takes years to learn English And why would anyone talk English in a Russia-Turkey incident?
Also "change your heading?". How about "you are invading Turkish air space."? I mean any civilian airport can ask someone to change up their heading. Thats not a warning.