To the Conservatives

Swiftstrike

Registered Member
#1
So if the economy rights itself during Obama's 4 year tenure. We see significant growth economically evident by our GDP. Unemployment drops, grades inmprove in public schools, and our foreign relations improves significantly globally...would you vote for Obama in the next election?

Would you even believe that these significant improvements were the result of his policy's or would you believe that they were a 'coincidence'. Or the result of a conservative policy?


I would really be interested in how you guys would react these results under a Democratic leader.

Would you vote for Obama in the re-election despite all of these improvements?


I know as a moderately left individual if I saw these type of improvements under a McCain era I would vote for him in the re-election.


DONT REPLY SAYING "WELL THOSE THINGS WON'T HAPPEN WITH A SOCIALIST IN POWER". This is a hypothetical question and we are assuming all these events happen during the Obama term.
 

AnitaKnapp

It's not me, it's you.
V.I.P.
#2
One of my main problems with Obama is his so called tax cuts. I think he pulled the wool over everyone's eyes in that regard. Maybe it's slightly different than the Bush tax cuts that he is discontinuing...I just know that for me, his tax cuts are basically cancelling out Bush's...so I don't see how he's going to do ME any good with that. Only looks like he's doing away with Bush's tax cuts so that he can implement his own and take credit for it. Now maybe it's different for different people...I used a tax calculator for both Bush's and Obama's proposed tax cuts in my income bracket, but did not research any others. The way he ran his campaign he hyped up those tax cuts, but didn't really tell people that he was letting Bush's tax cuts expire.

That being said, if he reformed Welfare instead of putting more money into it, and kept the Bush tax cuts...then yes, I would probably vote for him next election.
 
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Swiftstrike

Registered Member
#3
One of my main problems with Obama is his so called tax cuts. I think he pulled the wool over everyone's eyes in that regard. Maybe it's slightly different than the Bush tax cuts that he is discontinuing...I just know that for me, his tax cuts are basically cancelling out Bush's...so I don't see how he's going to do ME any good with that. Only looks like he's doing away with Bush's tax cuts so that he can implement his own and take credit for it. Now maybe it's different for different people...I used a tax calculator for both Bush's and Obama's proposed tax cuts in my income bracket, but did not research any others. The way he ran his campaign he hyped up those tax cuts, but didn't really tell people that he was letting Bush's tax cuts expire.

That being said, if he reformed Welfare instead of putting more money into it, and kept the Bush tax cuts...then yes, I would probably vote for him next election.

This is a perfect example of the reply I was not looking for....I am not asking if Obama turned into a conservative would you vote for him. Please reread the thread.
 

MenInTights

not a plastic bag
#4
I would love to see that but the thing that would hold me back would be the guy's extreme views on abortion. I just could never vote for a guy that puts the Freedom of Choice act as his first thing to do. So, to me, economic reform + moderated views on abortion and yeah I think I could pull that lever.

And of course assuming that he abides by the Constitution. I mean if the guy did something crazy like slicing the second amendment into shreds, that would be the end of any support. Not that I think he'll do that necessarily.
 

Swiftstrike

Registered Member
#5
I would love to see that but the thing that would hold me back would be the guy's extreme views on abortion. I just could never vote for a guy that puts the Freedom of Choice act as his first thing to do. So, to me, economic reform + moderated views on abortion and yeah I think I could pull that lever.

And of course assuming that he abides by the Constitution. I mean if the guy did something crazy like slicing the second amendment into shreds, that would be the end of any support. Not that I think he'll do that necessarily.
So essestially you still would not vote for him because of abortion.

MIT then would you classify yourself as a one-issue voter then?
 

AnitaKnapp

It's not me, it's you.
V.I.P.
#6

This is a perfect example of the reply I was not looking for....I am not asking if Obama turned into a conservative would you vote for him. Please reread the thread.
I told you what would have to happen for me to vote for him. I did not call him a socialist. I did not say anything about the abortion issues, gay marriage issues, etc...so no, that is not turning him into a conservative. :rolleyes:

LOL...so funny that the next guy posted about issues too, and yet nothing was said about his reply. :D
 
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MenInTights

not a plastic bag
#7
So essestially you still would not vote for him because of abortion.

MIT then would you classify yourself as a one-issue voter then?
If Obama falls in line with most people on abortion, I think I could vote for him. Most people support some bans on abortion. The topic was unfortunately such a non-issue during the election that no one is really clear with the guy. I try to keep an open mind concerning Obama and this issue. He has said he wants to populate a cabinet full of people that don't agree with him. So, I hope for the best.
 

icegoat63

Son of Liberty
V.I.P.
#8
I havent had the opportunity to visually establish my presidential voting record to show my opinions, this is only my second presidential election. However you can take my word when I say; I'll vote for the individual I feel will be best for the job. Doesnt have to be Republican or a Conservative for that matter, if I have been successfully convinced to believe that a certain politician is right for the job I'll have no quarral in voting for them.
 

Millz

LGB
Staff member
V.I.P.
#9
I wonder if anybody will actually respond in the way the thread asks haha. Since I'm a Liberal I can't respond since I voted Obama but it would be nice to hear some good thoughts on this.
 

Sim

Registered Member
#10
@MenInTights:

I think abortion is a good example to find out how "presidential" Obama is. That's an issue where actual compromise is possible: A minority on the right wants to ban abortion entirely, and a minority on the left wants it completely legal. But people in the center have mixed feelings about it, they don't want to ban abortion entirely but have it legal with certain restrictions.

Here in Germany, the issue was neutralized an no longer is a disputed controversial topic, because of a compromise that was found between left and right in the 70s: Within the first 3 months, abortion is legal, but the woman has to go through compulsory counceling sessions offered by the churches first, then she can decide. After the 3rd month, abortion is illegal, except when it's necessary to save the mother or in case of rape.

I think that's a compromise a large majority can live with. If Obama manages to find a similar compromise, beyond just the liberals, but even including many centrists and moderate conservatives, that would be a good way to settle the issue once and for all.