The Power of Thought (Noetic Theory)

Boredie

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Noetic theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Noetic theory or noëtics (from Greek νοητικός "mental" from νοεῖν "to think" from νοῦς - noûs) is a branch of metaphysical philosophy concerned with the study of mind and intuition, and its relationship with the divine intellect. Among its principal purposes is to study the effects of perceptions, beliefs, and intention with respect to human consciousness[1].
The theory of noetics centers around the idea that the human mind is capable of affecting or even doing work to the physical world. It is suggested that thought and spirit are not in fact imaginary, but Bose or photon based,[2] meaning essentially that the mind can be quantified by formulae which describe quantum materials such as light. This is a radical conclusion where many people think thoughts are weightless. Just as gravity affects all matter, so do thoughts to an apparent lesser degree. Psychokinesis, more often called telekinesis, is concerned with the direct influence of mind on matter.
Noetics is controversial, but research grounded in scientific approach has brought the subject into a more serious light in recent years. Many members of academia in the fields of medicine, biology, psychology, philosophy, and physics believe in and study the effect of thoughts on the physical world, from health effects to throwing dice. Though skepticism has often surrounded this field of science, research aims to both quantify and make known the power of the human mind.
For those of you who have read Dan Brown's The Lost Symbol, I'm sure you can appreciate, understand at least the minimum of the idea of this theory.

Basically what it comes down to is that thought has mass, though a very tiny amount of it, it still has mass. And everything that has mass has gravity as well, which can effect the physical world in which we live in.

So the theory is that if one particular thought is being thought of by a group of people for a period of time, that same thought has greater mass, and therefore the effect on the physical world is greater.

Take for example the stories that Hybrix has shared in regards to healing two of his friends, it was done by a group of people who shared the same thought of healing to a certain person for a period of time.

Imagine what could happen if man was able to control the physical world with thought alone?
The larger the group of people who had one thought in mind could effect the world according to their own will.

Obviously such power will need to be learned to use to the maximum in order for it to work the best.

What do you all think on the matter?
 

Wade8813

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I see nothing to suggest that thoughts have mass, or that such mass (if it exists) would be recognizable as anything other than the mass of my brain, or that thinking about a topic would cause different gravity compared to thinking about a different topic, or that gravity is sufficient to heal someone, etc.

(For instance, if I think about healing someone, why would that create any different gravity than if I think about eating steak?)
 

fractal

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Even if it had mass, the little mass would produce little gravity, which would pale in comparison to larger forces. If this theory is true, it would be interesting. But I doubt it would have any worthwhile consequences like those outline in The Lost Symbol.
 

PretzelCorps

Registered Member
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Thought has mass regardless of this theory --> Even the internet has "mass", if you measure the number of electrons that are out there representing data and being exchanged.

Even if thought comes down to nothing more than a minute electrical impulse or representation (the exchange of electrons, which weigh approx. 0.00000000000000000000000000091093826 grams each), it still technically has a mass.

Fact of the day. :nod:
 

fractal

Eye see what you did ther
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Thought has mass regardless of this theory --> Even the internet has "mass", if you measure the number of electrons that are out there representing data and being exchanged.

Even if thought comes down to nothing more than a minute electrical impulse or representation (the exchange of electrons, which weigh approx. 0.00000000000000000000000000091093826 grams each), it still technically has a mass.

Fact of the day. :nod:
Thoughts do not change the total mass, so I don't think you can associate thoughts with mass. If you view thoughts as movements of electrons, it's technically a rate. You cannot find out the mass of a rate, only the mass of a rate in a certain time interval.
 

stevenfermi

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E = mc^2. So technically any amount of energy has mass, and even if thoughts are nothing more than electrons moving between synapses, it still would technically have some mass.
 

fractal

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E = mc^2. So technically any amount of energy has mass, and even if thoughts are nothing more than electrons moving between synapses, it still would technically have some mass.
But that's an equivalence. We can't use that equation to say that mass is an attribute of thought (if you view thought as energy). In another sense, you can't weigh energy unless you can convert it to mass.
 

PretzelCorps

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But that's an equivalence. We can't use that equation to say that mass is an attribute of thought (if you view thought as energy). In another sense, you can't weigh energy unless you can convert it to mass.
Actually, it's not a bad point --> Simply put, if E = mc^2, then m = E/(C^2).
 

fractal

Eye see what you did ther
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I didn't mean it in that way. What I meant to say is that the energy needs to be converted to mass if you're going to associate the energy with the mass. This conversion does not take place in the human mind, so you cannot use this point to trivialize the theory that thoughts might have mass, to thoughts must have mass.

If you think along those lines, everything is either mass or energy right? But that doesn't mean you can view everything as mass just because there is a mathematical equivalence.