The future of health care in America

Discussion in 'Politics & Law' started by SmilinSilhouette, Jul 25, 2010.

  1. SmilinSilhouette

    SmilinSilhouette Registered Member

    This is the direction that we are headed. Someday when your loved one or you are denied treatment you may wonder how we ruined the best, most advanced, highest quality health care system in human history.

    NHS = the future of health care in America

    Axe falls on NHS services - Telegraph
     

  2. Merc

    Merc Certified Shitlord V.I.P. Lifetime

    So we can either stick with the current system, where people wait for extended periods of time for care and then get buttfucked by their insurance company (which has made a living off of dodging payouts and even have a large division of their company dedicated to it) when health needs catch up to them but that's only if the hospital you're at takes your health care insurance. If not, tough shit! Find another hospital! Next you go into heavy debt for the next ten or so years of your life because the medical bills are sky high. Then something else happens in your family and you can't afford it and in the worse case scenario, someone dies. So you're broke, living off scraps because you're broke, and you can't help anyone else in your family because your insurance premiums are now sky high because their policy has decided you are a "high risk" client all while remembering that they didn't even help you in the first place even though they were obligated to but could easily dodge since a new sentence has magically appeared in your contract. Don't look to the government to help you either since America is so set on keeping government regulations to a minimum that they have no problem getting boned, as long as it doesn't involve the government.

    Or, we can go with a system where people wait for extended periods of time for care and then get buttfucked by the government.

    To me, the only difference between the two systems is who fucks you. Obviously the respective sides of the political spectrum have their choices. Democrats would rather get boned by the government and republics prefer a privatized penis.
     
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  3. Smelnick

    Smelnick Creeping On You V.I.P.

    Here in Canada, there's news stories all the time talking about cuts here and there possibly leading to people being turned away. Yet I rarely actually see any of this happening. I know people that go to the doctor about the silliest little things. Or to the emergency room just because they banged their head. Surgery for little things that didn't really matter. So I've never really put much stock into what a lot of these articles talk about. Maybe Britain is different, but they have a similiar system to what we have here in Manitoba, so I kinda think that's just smoke and mirrors.

    Maybe the NHS for the states will be disaster, but maybe it won't. I'll hold out hope for you guys though, cause it's a decent system. Works pretty good for me, I know that much.
     
  4. Merc

    Merc Certified Shitlord V.I.P. Lifetime

    The problem is that a good chunk of America lives under this blanket of fear of socialism. They seem to think that if anything is given to the American people, that the whole country is just going to fall apart and an orgy of anarchy and cannibalism will reign. I am one of the people who believes you should earn your keep but I also don't see a problem in trying to construct something out of my tax dollars that isn't something retarded like abstinence only education, a bailout, the War on Drugs or corn farming.
     
  5. CaptainObvious

    CaptainObvious Son of Liberty V.I.P.

    Not necessarily. This is the problem I have. We have a company like Enron who totally fucks their investors, ruining people's retirement and their savings and suddenly capitalism is the spawn of the devil. And we have a federal government that has basically done the exact same thing with social security and we want to make them in charge of our health care. We want people like Charles Rangel in charge of our health care but putting Jeff Skilling in charge of it is unimaginable, isn't it?
     
  6. SmilinSilhouette

    SmilinSilhouette Registered Member

    Could it possibly be that it is not fear of socialism but a love of individual liberty and freedom? Maybe an outrage that fools, useful idiots, and the pied piper politicians that lead them with empty promises have so demonized self-reliance that the mindless follow blindly the new god of pop-culture collectivism to their own detriment?
     
  7. Bananas

    Bananas Endangered Species

    [SARCASM]Why, are you abolishing the French healthcare system?[/SARCASM]:lol:

    Needless to say I dont think you are abolishing the US private sector either.
    If your problem is being taxed for a service you will not use, then fair enough that is your compassion. You have to realise though that the NHS is not the future of healthcare in America, it may share similarities to the future of socialised healthcare in America but that is as far as the connections go.

    As for the article...... the Conservatives are in power, of course there will be cuts in the public sector. Even without the deficit there would be cuts. Im surprised you are being critical of their action, I always put you down as a fan of privatisation.
     
  8. SmilinSilhouette

    SmilinSilhouette Registered Member

    @ Bananas: I am a fan of the US Constitution, individual liberty, and freedom. The US Constitution is supposed to stop the federal government from such intrusion into the PRIVATE lives and business of US Citizens. Privatization is unnecessary if government does not intrude in the first place.

    My problem is that our government is in the process of adding bureaucracy to something that I have first hand knowledge is already excellent, which I fear will result in what you have with the NHS: A bureaucratic nightmare.

    You see, you can't possibly give everyone the best of everything to make them all equal. Yes the only way you can make them all equal is by subjecting them all (except the ruling class of course) to waiting lists, denial of treatment, and bureaucrats who decide who should be treated and who should be sent home to die.
     
  9. Merc

    Merc Certified Shitlord V.I.P. Lifetime

    Thanks for reminding me.

    This also has nothing to do with damaging liberty or freedom. Whenever certain people feel threatened, those always seem to be the two words that show up and they never have any sustenance other than shock value. "Huh? My freedom? My liberty?!" I don't know why there is a sudden fear about taxpayer fueled health care when there are plenty of things much less important and much, much more wasteful than something that should be provided to people. I mean, I think it's fair to say that out of all things the government gives away, even if we did away with a few of them such as unemployment, health care should have been the obvious first choice.
     
  10. CaptainObvious

    CaptainObvious Son of Liberty V.I.P.

    I don't think it's obvious at all. The point is there are better solutions in many people's minds that would provide better care at a lower cost without sacrificing quality than having the government provide a service such as medical care. I just don't think the arguments of "healthcare companies are greedy" and "people fear socialism" are fair or accurate generalizations.
     

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