Stand up for your rights, take action

Discussion in 'Politics & Law' started by Nightsurfer, Jun 2, 2008.

  1. Nightsurfer

    Nightsurfer ~Lucky 13 strikes again~

    The end of Free Speech in America has arrived at our doorstep. It's a new law called the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, and it is worded in a clever way that could allow the U.S. government to arrest and incarcerate any individual who speaks out against the Bush Administration, the war on Iraq, the Department of Homeland Security or any government agency (including the FDA). The law has already passed the House on a traitorous vote of 405 to 6, and it is now being considered in the Senate where a vote is imminent. All over the internet, intelligent people who care about freedom are speaking out against this extremely dangerous law: Philip Giraldi at the Huffington Post, Declan McCullagh at CNET's News.com, Kathryn Smith at OpEdNews.com, and of course Alex Jones at PrisonPlanet.com

    This bill is the beginning of the end of Free Speech in America. If it passes, all the information sources you know and trust could be shut down and their authors imprisoned. NewsTarget could be taken offline and I could be arrested as a "terrorist." Jeff Rense at Jeff Rense Program could be labeled a "terrorist" and arrested. Byron Richards, Len Horowitz, Paul Craig Roberts, Greg Palast, Ron Paul and even Al Gore could all be arrested, silenced and incarcerated. This is not an exaggeration. It is a literal reading of the law, which you can check yourself here: http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/h1955_rfs.xml

    The bill states:

    ‘...ideologically based violence’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual’s political, religious, or social beliefs...

    Note that this means the "planned use of force to promote a political or social belief" would be considered an act of terrorism. This all hinges on the definition of "force," of course. Based on the loose use of logic in Washington these days, and the slippery interpretation of the meaning of words, "force" could mean:

    • A grassroots campaign to barrage Congress with faxes
    • A non-violent street protest
    • A letter-writing campaign that deluges the Senate with too much mail
    • A sit-in protest that blocks access to a business or organization
    • A grassroots e-mail campaign that overloads the e-mail servers of any government department or agency

    You get the idea. "Force" could be defined as practically anything. And since the "planned use of force" would be considered a criminal act of terrorism, anyone who simply thinks about a grassroots action campaign would be engaged in terrorist acts.

    If you stopped someone on the street and handed them a Bible, for example, this could be considered an act of terrorism ("...use of force to promote the individual's religious beliefs...")

    If you sent a barrage of angry letters to Washington about global warming and the destruction of the environment by the U.S. military, this could also be considered an act of terrorism ("...to promote the individual's political beliefs...")

    If you believe in same-sex marriage and you wrote a letter threatening a sit-in protest in front of your state's capitol building, this could also be considered an act of terrorism, even if you never carried it out! ("...planned use of force to promote a social belief...")

    The United States is on the fast track to fascism, and the Congress is working right alongside this nation's traitorous leaders to criminalize any thoughts, words or speeches that disagree with current government policies regarding war, terrorism, domestic surveillance and civil liberties. Simply speaking out against the war on Iraq could soon be labeled a crime. Merely thinking thoughts against the war on Iraq could be considered a criminal act.

    Must-see video: Naomi Wolf's lecture on 10 steps to fascism
    There's a video lecture you simply MUST watch. It's by Naomi Wolf, author of The End of America. She covers this topic with great elegance and a deep understanding of history. See her video on YouTube at: YouTube - Talk by Naomi Wolf - The End of America

    Click here to see her book on Amazon.com.

    In her lecture and book, Naomi reveals the ten steps to fascist, then reveals how the United States of America is pursuing all ten! This S.1959 legislation, the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, represents one of the ten steps to achieve a fascist state!

    It is designed to squash all opposition to the State's ongoing march towards blatant fascism, where secret police and secret prisons dominate the law enforcement landscape, stripping U.S. citizens of all civil liberties and Constitutional protections.

    Thought crimes are about to become a reality in the United States of America, and Congress is pushing this through as quickly as possible so that each individual member of Congress can claim that he or she is "against terrorism." But this bill doesn't merely target terrorism: It targets anyone who speaks or even thinks thoughts against the U.S. federal government.

    With this bill, the U.S. government is officially labeling the People of the United States as criminals. It is drawing a line in the sand and stating that from now on, it's the Government vs. the People.

    If we don't stop this bill from becoming law, we are lost as a nation.

    There is no turning back from tyranny once the government turns its own citizens into criminals, enforcing only the thoughts, ideas, words and speeches that it approves or tolerates. Everything is at stake here!

    Take action now, or lose your freedoms forever
    If you live in the U.S., it is urgent that you call your senators right now and voice your strong opposition against this extremely dangerous law.

    Here are the phone numbers for the U.S. Senate switchboard:

    1-877-851-6437
    1-800-833-6354
    1-888-355-3588
    1-866-220-0044
    1-866-808-0065
    1-877-762-8762
    1-866-340-9281
    1-800-862-5530

    How to do this:

    1) Make sure you know the names of your Senators.
    2) Call the U.S. Senate switchboard using one of the numbers above.
    3) Ask to speak to the offices of your Senators.
    4) Tell them you are strongly opposed to S. 1959, the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act
    5) Ask for their fax number.
    6) Follow up your phone call with a written, signed letter that you fax to your Senators.

    Stopping this bill from becoming law is the single most important thing all Americans can do right now.

    If this becomes law, all free speech about health freedom, the crimes of the FDA, the crimes of the Bush Administration, America's role in global warming and any other topics could all be criminalized. YOU could be labeled a terrorist, kidnapped by government thugs, taken from your home, thrown in a secret prison, denied access to legal representation, denied due process and essentially "disappeared" into a system of such corruption and evil that it now begins to blatantly mirror Nazi Germany.

    Think it couldn't happen here? It's happening right now! This is exactly how it happened in Nazi Germany. First, burn the Reichstag and blame it on the "enemy." Pass new police state laws. Disarm the people. Spread fear. Erect secret prisons and secret police. Call anyone who disagrees with you a "traitor." Control the mainstream media. Sound familiar? This is all happening right now in the United States of America, and if we don't work to stop it, this nation will rapidly devolve into a fascist police state where no one is truly free.

    We are but a few small steps away from it right now. All it would take is one dirty bomb in a major U.S. city. Bush would declare Martial Law and take over the National Guard. Troops on the streets. Anyone who writes a blog against the government would be arrested. Authors of "alternative" books would be kidnapped and have their books burned on the street. It could all happen at the stroke of a pen. The infrastructure for tyranny is in place right now, just waiting to be invoked.

    Our best weapons: Non-violent protest and speaking the truth
    How can we fight back against this onslaught of tyranny? We must use what remaining free speech freedoms we have right now to alert our fellow citizens to what's happening. We must rise up and tell the truth while urging our representatives in Washington to resist the temptation to vote for more "anti-terrorism" legislation that only works to enslave the American people.

    We must use our phones, faxes, emails and blogs to rally our friends, family members and anyone who will listen to oppose these police state laws, and we must organize mass (peaceful) protests against this government that is attempting to marginalize the rights and freedoms of our People.

    We must not be lulled into a sense of false security by the purveyors of hatred and fear -- the Sean Hannitys, Rush Limbaughs and Bill O'Reillys of the world. Instead, we must listen to the voices of freedom.

    All of the candidates are nothing more than tyrants of different political affiliations.

    Can you imagine what Hillary Clinton would do with the police state powers that Bush has now created? That's the danger of all laws that centralize power in Washington: It's not necessarily what today's President will do with them, but what some future President will do with them.

    That's why it's never good enough to say, "Well, we intend to only apply these laws to terrorists and not to U.S. citizens at home." That may be the intention right NOW, but virtually all such laws creep into areas of enforcement for which they were never intended.

    All these anti-terrorism laws run the danger of expanding in enforcement to the point where they are applied against the People of this country. At first, it's only illegal for "terrorists" to think thought crimes, but before long, it's illegal for anyone to think those same thoughts. That when the domestic arrests of authors, journalists, bloggers and thought leaders will kick off, and the country will plunge itself into outright tyrannical fascism.

    Again, we're on the track right now. This is happening, folks. You're LIVING through an amazing chapter of history right now. You're actually witnessing the downfall of a free nation and the rise of a superpower fascist state. You're actually part of it.

    When it's all over, will you look back and realize you did nothing? Or will you now take a stand against tyranny and oppose these dangerous laws and lawmakers who threaten the Constitutional freedoms of you and your children?
     

  2. booku

    booku Registered Member

    Um, well first I do not agree with this bill but I think the interpretation of how this bill will destroy what's left of freedom of speech is a bit of a hyperbole. It's more an infringement of privacy like the Patriot Act, but seemingly a bit less effective or "harmless" as Ironic has pointed out.
    This bill under the findings in line 8, declares that constitutional rights, civil rights and liberties will be upheld. Stating this implies this bill will not apply to such acts like freedom to assembly, i.e. non-violent protests.
    And secondly, I am all for civil disobedience especially when it comes to bills with too loose of an interpretation but I will leave this in the hands of the Senate to decide, which will hopefully be in favor of not passing the bill.
     
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  3. ExpectantlyIronic

    ExpectantlyIronic e̳̳̺͕ͬ̓̑̂ͮͦͣ͒͒h̙ͦ̔͂?̅̂ ̾͗̑

    Uh, I read the bill, and it just sets up a commission whose purpose would be to give the president and congress a report on how to best fight homegrown terrorists. Other then that it just mandates the creation of a "Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism." Pretty harmless stuff.

    Note the following part of the bill:

    "The Department of Homeland Security’s efforts to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism as described herein shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents."

    I should also point out that you can't strip citizens of constitutional protections by passing a bill of any sort. You have to amend the constitution to do that.
     
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  4. Matriqulated

    Matriqulated Future is Fused 3036A.D.

    So you decided to start a revolution after all...sweeet. You had to know it wasn't going to end with the Patriot Act.
     
  5. Mirage

    Mirage Administrator Staff Member V.I.P.

    It's an interesting theory. Probably exaggerated in some parts to get more people to fight against it.

    That being said when looking at a bill you have to think about what COULD happen as a result of it, not what is intended to happen. That post might not be that far off from the reality of what COULD happen.

    I'll have to look into this a bit more before I have a solid opinion though. For example, that article or whatever it is says this:

    If everything said in that rant is true, wouldn't these people be among the first to be getting the word out about it? It's not like they want to be thrown in political prisons any more than the average citizen.. That writeup purveys fear in itself...

    I'd say it's a bit biased to say the least.
     
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  6. dDave

    dDave Guardian of the Light V.I.P.

    The bill is unconstitutional and the supreme court would never let it pass it even says in the first amendment that you are guaranteed the freedom of speech, if that could be any more obvious please point out a way.
     
  7. ExpectantlyIronic

    ExpectantlyIronic e̳̳̺͕ͬ̓̑̂ͮͦͣ͒͒h̙ͦ̔͂?̅̂ ̾͗̑

    Dudes. There is nothing in the bill that makes anything illegal, other than, perhaps, not setting up the commission and center it calls for. There is also nothing in the bill that gives anyone special rights, beyond giving the commission in question the ability to access certain information that exists within the government.

    The line quoted in the OP is taken out-of-context to make it look like "ideologically based violence" is made a crime by the bill, but that simply is not the case. That line simply defines that term for the purposes of the bill.
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    If the bill-in-question speaks of anything, it's how impotently bureaucratic the government is. They need to form a committee to write a bill to form a commission to give a recommendation on how they might want to go about fighting domestic terrorism, no doubt which will involve forming more committees to write more bills, perhaps establishing further commissions. This bill does not speak of any nefarious competence on their part, in some hidden effort to strip us of our rights. Quite the opposite.
     
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  8. micfranklin

    micfranklin Eviscerator

    Somehow I get the feeling that I've seen this law before, and I don't mean the Patriot Act. I also believe that Homeland Security is the 3rd biggest waste of money on this country, next to the War on Drugs and the War in Iraq.

    Patriot Act did just that. Bastards.
     
  9. Unity

    Unity I drink & I know things. Staff Member

    I'm going to have to read up on the details of the bill before I make a snap decision.

    In first judgment, I usually don't like a bill that is born of fear. But, who knows, I could end up reading it and figuring it doesn't sound as bad as Nightsurfer described it to be. If it does look sucky, I'll be sure to e-mail my representatives in Congress.
     
  10. Nightsurfer

    Nightsurfer ~Lucky 13 strikes again~

    Take a close look at the bill, they leave several clauses that can be misused by the government.

    Also look at all the riders that go with this bill, I don't claim to be a political analyst or anything like that but even I can see where this Bill is heading.

    Look how many right were taken away from the American Public due to the Homeland Security act..

    This not a good bill and it needs to go back to the drawing board and have all the loopholes removed..There is way to many of them that can wind up in the loss of our rights..
     
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