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knickstape2107

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smh122 said:
A. Saying Melo not happen means you are under the belief he'll stay because......?
B. Melo isnt the reason NY is bad? Since when? If NY simply signed Melo in the summer, they could've kept their team somewhat intact. Instead, shipped out integral parts of the team, then Melo's issues with D'Antoni(the guy who had the style of players he needed for his system to succeed, which they were doing) got him out of there which lead to NY patching together a team of veteran cast offs and overpriced players, with a subpar coach in Woodson has lead them here: A sunk ship
B. The Melo trade was not Melo's fault. AT ALL. It was Dolan who made that trade. So to blame Melo is ridiculous. Melo wanted the trade but everyone knew we could get him in FA, like you said. The problem was DOLAN, the person who made the trade. And Melo didn't get D'Antoni fired. D'Antoni got D'Antoni fired. The Knicks weren't winning w/ D'Antoni so you can stop that nonsense. We started winning during Linsanity but that was it. Other than that, D'Antoni was awful, even worse than Woodson. And now look at D'Antoni. Kobe wants him fired...wonder why?

A. He loves NY. He grew up a Knicks fan. Plus, he'll get plenty of money. Phil Jackson is here now. 2015 cap space. Amar'e and Tyson both can be traded in the offseason because at that point, they'll have one year left, so teams will be willing to take them to make 2015 cap space.

And may I ask why you are blaming Melo for that trade?
 

smh122

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Knicks would have never made that trade if Melo never flirted with the Nets and made NY feel like they had to get him at that moment or lose him


and how can you say Knicks weren't winning with D'Antoni when he only was given 4 months with his guys and system implemented BEFORE they blew up the team to get Melo?
 

knickstape2107

Registered Member
smh122 said:
Knicks would have never made that trade if Melo never flirted with the Nets and made NY feel like they had to get him at that moment or lose him


and how can you say Knicks weren't winning with D'Antoni when he only was given 4 months with his guys and system implemented BEFORE they blew up the team to get Melo?

The team before Melo arrived was average, not good. It was only good compared to the awful seasons in the past. After D'Antoni was fired, we were MUCH better (example: 54 win season; First round win; Division title; #2 seed, etc.) Everyone, especially the fans wanted D'Antoni fired. He can't coach defense and he can't adjust to his players. The great coaches, like Pop w/ the Spurs, can adjust and make it work. D'Antoni is having the same problems in LA as he did in Phoenix AND NY: his teams have no defense because he can't coach defense. Melo and D'Antoni weren't a good fit and though I do think Woodson should be fired, he is still better than D'Antoni.


And once again, Melo wanted the trade but it was Dolan's fault for actually doing the trade. Melo has grown significantly as a player. He wants to win and through this whole season, no matter how much we were losing/winning by, he has tried his hardest to win. And now, during this six game winning streak, others are stepping up and helping him (Amar'e, JR, Hardaway Jr., etc.)
 

knickstape2107

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Phil Jackson was officially announced as the Knicks' team president today. I missed the press conference because it happened while I was at school, so I couldn't watch, but I'm going to try watching a replay of it later today.
 

smh122

Registered Member
knickstape2107 said:
After D'Antoni was fired, we were MUCH better (example: 54 win season; First round win; Division title; #2 seed, etc.) Everyone, especially the fans wanted D'Antoni fired. He can't coach defense and he can't adjust to his players. The great coaches, like Pop w/ the Spurs, can adjust and make it work. D'Antoni is having the same problems in LA as he did in Phoenix AND NY: his teams have no defense because he can't coach defense

None of this makes any sense

-He can't adjust to his players? When has a coach had consistent success with a team they did not help construct? Coaches adjusting to the players and not the other way around usually leads to disaster.

-Naming Pop is a bad example because he's been with the Spurs for almost 2 decades and the players they acquire are acquired because they fit his system. What big time players did Pop acquire where he adjusted his system to fit them not the other way around?

-D'Antoni made Phoenix a perennial title contender. NY blew up his team 3-4 months into his tenure, and in LA he never had a chance because they are still trying to put pieces together that doesn't fit, including still trying to build around Kobe
 

knickstape2107

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The Spurs used to be a slow paced team that was great defensively. Now, they are much faster in their play. They don't have any stars but that wasn't the point. The point is Pop adjusts to his players, inuding role players. His system is now much faster and better offensively w/ young guys like Patty Mills and Kawhi on the team. Before it was much slower paced and numbers back this up. D'Antoni is a terrible head coach. The Suns were title contenders you say, but they never made the Finals under D'Antoni. They didn't play enough defense and weren't coached to play defense to make it to the Finals, let alone win it. D'Antoni never adjusted to Kobe, Melo, and others. Pop is a great coach because he does adjust to his players. ALL of his players. He expects to adjust to his players. Phil Jackson and Pop have their systems and both are good systems but they are willing to make adjustments. I'm not saying the coach has to coach the way the players want to play. I'm saying, at some point, you have to make adjustments that D'Antoni has never made. The players should change to fit their coach's system, but the coach should make adjustments to make the player's change easier.
 

knickstape2107

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And to add one more thing: Yes, Phil Jackson does expect the Knicks to make adjustments to fit his system (better ball movement for example.) However, he is going to adjust to his players too, though he isn't the coach. That is the thing here. It takes effort from both sides. Both the players and coach have to make adjustments to each other to succeed, just like in a relationship. One person can't do everything. D'Antoni never made these adjustments.

And no, Phil Jackson isn't the coach but it seems obvious he will install his system in New York or parts of it.
 
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