Socialism would be an option! Yikes

Rapier

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#1
I read somewhere that Socialism in the USA would be an option if the rich keep getting richer and the poor continue getting poorer.

We don't need no freaking socialism we just need to restore the regulations that were put in place to protect John Q. and Jane Q. Public.

For instance, the banks were localized by regulation to prevent state and regional banks from profiteering in another area's "downturn." Financial institutions and utilities were "set free" to allow them to participate in the free market without the restraints of their "charters." So what happened and what's happening now?

The Publics, bless their hearts, have lost their savings and homes and jobs and pensions over and over and over.
 

Van

Heavy Weapons Guy
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#2
poor continue getting poorer.
The poor are getting richer, and the rich are getting richer. Sowherever you read this, it needs to get it's facts straight. Also, the "source" seems to be ignorant as socialism is an option this very November.
 

Bananas

Endangered Species
#3
This thread is very vague whist retaining bias without holding any substance. Please elaborate!

What type/aspect of socialism are we talking about?

What did you read? (link)
 

Rapier

Registered Member
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#4
This thread is very vague whist retaining bias without holding any substance. Please elaborate!

What type/aspect of socialism are we talking about?

What did you read? (link)
I thought it was very clear.

Our government, under the guise deregulation, has thrown the Publics under the bus.

What type?

Currents
Socialism refers to any of various economic and political concepts of state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods and services, some of which have been developed into more or less highly articulated theories and/or praxis. [1] In a Marxist or labor-movement definition of the term, socialism is a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done with the goal of creating a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community. [2] This control may be exercised on behalf of the state, through a market, or through popular collectives such as workers' councils and cooperatives. As an economic system, socialism is often characterized by state, cooperative, or worker ownership of the means of production, goals which have been attributed to, and claimed by, a number of political parties and governments.
The modern socialist movement largely originated in the late–19th century working class movement. During this period, the term "socialism" was first used by European social critics, who spoke against capitalism and private property. Karl Marx, who helped establish and define the modern socialist movement, wrote that socialism would be achieved through class struggle and a proletarian revolution.[3] Marxism has had a lasting influence on most branches of socialism.
(link)

Surely you jest, I don't think "I read somewhere" necessitates citing a source.

What type of socialism? Surely you jest.

Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

Kazmarov

For a Free Scotland
#5
The poor are getting richer, and the rich are getting richer. Sowherever you read this, it needs to get it's facts straight. Also, the "source" seems to be ignorant as socialism is an option this very November.
If you go back to 1979, prior to the period when the growth in inequality really took off in the United States, the top 5 percent on average had 11 times the average income of the bottom 20 percent. If you fast forward to the year 2000, the most recent economic peak, you find that that ratio increased to 19 times. So over the course of those two decades, the gap between the wealthiest and the lowest income families grew from 11 times to 19 times.
Wealth and Income Inequality in the USA

Firstly, because our income disparity is widening at an alarming rate, the poor are getting poorer in relation to the wealthy, and particularly their purchasing power is lowering.

Secondly, if you'd referenced the US real wage (Wages and Benefits: Real Wages (1964-2004) - Working Life), you'd seen it's been stagnant for 25 years. Given the data about income disparity (Gini coefficient), that means that real wages for the rich are rising, and falling for the poor.

So yes, the poor are getting poorer. Anyone who understands macroeconomics would understand that.
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as socialism is an option this very November.
Yep.

Republican Party
Democratic Party

Both sponsors of state administration of a variety of services and industries. Socialistic to the bone.
 

Bananas

Endangered Species
#6
I thought it was very clear.

Our government, under the guise deregulation, has thrown the Publics under the bus.

What type?

Currents



(link)

Surely you jest, I don't think "I read somewhere" necessitates citing a source.

What type of socialism? Surely you jest.

Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
No need to patronize!

You have not given any information just a political rant based on nothing, it includes no background or substance to give it any foundation.

Have the public been literally thrown under the bus or is this a euphemism or an analogy of something else you wish to share because at the moment it makes little to no sense and has no reference to anything and therefore makes any discussion obsolete.

I am still none the wiser to what aspect of socialism you are referring to, Marxism? social democracy? liberal socialism? national socialism? communism? You have listed African Socialism amongst your list so shall I assume that African socialism is taking a foothold into US politics?:confused:
Is this what you wish to discuss;[SARCASM] how African Socialism is destroying middle-class America? [/SARCASM]

You say socialism is an option in the US but give no clear indication to what this move towards socialism is.

No I do not jest and yes your not being clear.
 

Rapier

Registered Member
V.I.P.
#7
No need to patronize!

You have not given any information just a political rant based on nothing, it includes no background or substance to give it any foundation.

Have the public been literally thrown under the bus or is this a euphemism or an analogy of something else you wish to share because at the moment it makes little to no sense and has no reference to anything and therefore makes any discussion obsolete.

I am still none the wiser to what aspect of socialism you are referring to, Marxism? social democracy? liberal socialism? national socialism? communism? You have listed African Socialism amongst your list so shall I assume that African socialism is taking a foothold into US politics?:confused:
Is this what you wish to discuss;[sarcasm] how African Socialism is destroying middle-class America? [/sarcasm]

You say socialism is an option in the US but give no clear indication to what this move towards socialism is.

No I do not jest and yes your not being clear.

I'm saying that to resolve economic strife in America we need to re-regulate the deregulation that has destroyed 150 years of progress of the average American in the workplace and throughout our society, allowing business and protected groups to become our government's voice.

See. It wasn't about socialism at all, now was it?:sigh:
 

Jeanie

still nobody's bitch
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#8
The poor are getting richer, and the rich are getting richer. Sowherever you read this, it needs to get it's facts straight. Also, the "source" seems to be ignorant as socialism is an option this very November.
van, I stronly encourage you to read up on socialism, what it is and what it isn't. Obama is a supporter of capitalism and free market enterprise, which is the antithesis of socialism.

Anyone who thinks Obama is a socialist either knows nothing about Obama, or nothing about socialism. Or perhaps it's both and they're just getting their information from Right Wing talking heads...
 

Rapier

Registered Member
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#9
van, I stronly encourage you to read up on socialism, what it is and what it isn't. Obama is a supporter of capitalism and free market enterprise, which is the antithesis of socialism.

Anyone who thinks Obama is a socialist either knows nothing about Obama, or nothing about socialism. Or perhaps it's both and they're just getting their information from Right Wing talking heads...
In the US and much of the rest of the "free" world there are no such animals as capitalism and free market enterprise. Instead the soft underbelly of free societies is frought with Malignant Opportunism.

All the isms are patchwork to cover-up medieval greed.
 

Hi_Im_Tim

I am Heavy Weapons Guy
#10
Anyone who thinks Obama is a socialist either knows nothing about Obama, or nothing about socialism. Or perhaps it's both and they're just getting their information from Right Wing talking heads...
He wants to have socialized Health Care, He wants to raise taxes on the upper class and lower taxes on the middle and lower class, he wants to pay for everybody to get higher education, he wants to pay for peoples houses when they bought houses that were to expensive for them.

Here is a link where Obama criticizes Ownership Society/Capitalism

LJWorld.com / Obama criticizes ‘ownership society’

Here is a link that talks about Obama showing his socialism

AmericaWantsToKnow.com: Barack Obama explains socialism
 
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