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Social Welfare

Kazmarov

For a Free Scotland
Does the state have an obligation to provide social services to help its citizens, including the poor and disabled? If so, to what extent?
 

pro2A

Hell, It's about time!
I believe and always believe in private charity. People will donate their time and money. There are good people in this country. Orgnizations like the Red Cross are good because people will give. It gives them a good feeling. Think about when you do something for a good cause, you get a warm feeling deep down. You know what you did, and what you gave was for a good cause.

When the iron fist of government strikes down and demands money from the people you get resentment and negative feelings. The government then gives it to others who don't deserve it, and they generate animosity among the people. Animosity towards the government, animosity towards social programs, and animosity for welfare. People are less inclined to donate to good causes like churches, the Red Cross and the like because they are forced to do it thru the government.

I believe in "welfare" but it shouldn't be mandated by government. People who are genuinely disabled after exausting private contributions should be entitled to government welfare. Everyone else... get a job. I have two, you can't get one?
 
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padd

Registered Member
I believe in "welfare" but it shouldn't be mandated by government. People who are genuinely disabled after exausting private contributions should be entitled to government welfare. Everyone else... get a job. I have two, you can't get one?
There was a time in the 1960's-70's when alot of Greeks, Italians and Irish came to Canada in search of a better life and got jobs and made their way from working class to middle class. in the 80's-90's a new wave a immigrants reached Canada.. this time from the Carribean and Middle East.. now these people never got jobs.. they life off of our tax dollars. they're getting paid for sitting on their ass all day and smoking at the street corner @ night. Meantime instead of telling their kids and friends to get a better life they are assimilating themselves into living off welfare.

Now, there is a minority of these immigrants who do work hard.. and they become Drs and lawyers and even foremans.. but the bad people give the good people a bad reputation. So what do the good ones do? They open community centers and a spend their time showing the good way.

WHY WASTE TIME. When all you need to do is get a job. in 10 years, 20 years.. 50 years from now! they will still be @ the bottom of the class.
 

danielpalos

Registered Member
Our US Constitution enumerates the general power to provide for the general welfare of the Union. I am willing to argue that a public policy of zero percent official poverty is justified in any first world economy.
 

pro2A

Hell, It's about time!
Our US Constitution enumerates the general power to provide for the general welfare of the Union. I am willing to argue that a public policy of zero percent official poverty is justified in any first world economy.
The preamble to the US constitution says nothing of the sorts. Liberals over time seem to have reversed what is says.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, PROMOTE the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America".

No where does it say we have to provide the welfare, all it has to do is promote it. Basically encourage private charity. Thats about it. The only thing the government provides is the common defense... i.e. the Military. You people really need to read the constitution, and more importantly, the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers. The founders were CRYSTAL clear on their intent.
 
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padd

Registered Member
I really don't understand or never read the constitution.. I don't even know what it is.. but then again check my flag.
 

danielpalos

Registered Member
The US Constitution enumerates the words to promote and provide for the general welfare of the United States.

Promoting the welfare is in the preamble and the specifically enumerated, general power to provide for the general Welfare of the United States is in Article 1, section 8, along with the power to provide for the common Defense.

I think the federal government has the organic power to provide whatever it wants to promote, in the District of Columbia and other federal properties.

Our federal government could simply ensure the solvency of any public policy schemes enacted by the several states; with the full faith and credit of the general government of the Union.
 
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Bananas

Endangered Species
I believe in "welfare" but it shouldn't be mandated by government. People who are genuinely disabled after exausting private contributions should be entitled to government welfare. Everyone else... get a job. I have two, you can't get one?

Why have two jobs? why not three or four? Its not much to boast about really. Slave to absolute capitalism:shake:

I have not worked since March 2006 mainly because I don't have to, I get free education and I get paid to do it, I have a house and a car and live in comparative luxury. I have and will return the favour when I return to employment in 2011. I have an opportunity not to work, who is to deny that from me! Remember the UK is not considered a socialist state, we are capitalist just like you! Difference is in Europe Socialism is a valued political ideal that can integrate and offer flexibility within a capitalist society. The US(people like you) need to realize that socialism is not a three headed monster that will eat your babies, socialism is not a dirty word, it is not an insult or a derogative phrase in the manner you use.

Why work when the state will give it to you? Is that not Socialism?
"....is that not socialism?"
I have images of you spitting on the floor in disgust when you typed that.........:rolleyes:
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Does the state have an obligation to provide social services to help its citizens, including the poor and disabled? If so, to what extent?
sorry Kaz. I forgot to answer you question.

The state is only obliged if it sees its citizens as a provision to that state. If the states infrastructure is seen as a collective of people over individual success then it should return what is dutifully the citizens.
 
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Jeanie

still nobody's bitch
V.I.P.
Why work when the state will give it to you? Is that not Socialism?
:disbelief:

no. no that is not what Socialism is

In answer to Kaz's question, if the government truly is of the people, by the people, for the people like we're taught in 7th grade civics class, then yes. I believe that people are obligated to help one another and if The State is a representation of the people then that's the best way to achieve that assistance.
 
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