Should we have another constitutional convention?

Discussion in 'Politics & Law' started by Kazmarov, Jun 15, 2007.


Another Constitutional Convention?

Poll closed Jul 6, 2007.
  1. Yes!

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  2. No!

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  3. Maybe!

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  4. I don't give a fucking shit!

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  1. Kazmarov

    Kazmarov For a Free Scotland

    What one really notices with debate, particuarly in the worthless guessing game that is the 2nd Amendment, is that society has changed drastically in the 220 years since the Constitution was drafted, and the Bill of Rights shortly after. The welfare state, automatic firearms, a standing army, "obscentity", euthanasia, abortion, gay marriage...continue until you give up.

    Why is our law based upon a document that has no relevance to today's civilization?

    So basically the question is: should academics, politicians, judges, and all matter of intellectuals come together and draft a new constitution? Most countries have had new ones ratified or have completely changed it. I think there's a lot to learn upon, as America is the oldest constitutional democracy in the world. Maybe we should go for that whole seperate heads of government and state, maybe go to party list voting.

  2. Merc

    Merc Certified Shitlord V.I.P. Lifetime

    Sounds like a great idea to me. I've always felt our government would never change standing doctrine similar to the way the church really needs to change it's commandments. Maybe that's why there hasn't been change because of similar fears of society falling apart if long standing documents are removed or altered.
  3. CMK_Eagle

    CMK_Eagle Registered Member

    No. The Constitution already has a mechanism in place to adapt to changes in society. Just because our leaders are too lazy to actually follow it isn't a good reason for an end run around the Constitution.
  4. Merc

    Merc Certified Shitlord V.I.P. Lifetime

    This isn't just about the leaders, CMK. It's about a society that has changed a lot since these words were written down. It's probably a good idea to have a bit of a change.
  5. enjoy

    enjoy Guest

    I voted no and I don't even think the Constitution is adequate. A rewriting could possibly be the most dangerous thing ever to happen in this country. There's no telling who will get involved and influence the outcome in this current political climate. Be it neocons, state socialists, environmentalists, religious fundamentalists...I wouldn't live under any of their laws.
  6. CMK_Eagle

    CMK_Eagle Registered Member

    If it needs to be changed, then it can be amended. There's no need to start from scratch.
  7. Stay Away

    Stay Away Guest

    Yeah, change it for your own political agenda. Obviosly everyone wants to do that.

    But if we were to say, change it to say gun control, healtcare, and social security are all illegal,(even though they're unconstitutional right know) you wouldn't be so keen on changing the constitution.
  8. pro2A

    pro2A Hell, It's about time!

    I'm all for it as long as they keep 4 of the current amendments.

    The 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th

    Other then that change away.

    I mean the 3rd Amendment... whats the point, that could technically fall under the 4th. The 5th they should keep the same, maybe get rid of the militia bit.

    The 7th Amendment they need to update. 20 dollars back in the day would be about 200-300 dollars in today's money.

    The 8th Amendment should be clarified. What is exactly cruel and unusual? All the PC people claim sleep deprevation is cruel and unusual. I think there should be a limit of what can and can't be done.
  9. Merc

    Merc Certified Shitlord V.I.P. Lifetime

    I know it's hard, but try not to be a dick.

    I'm not like you assume (you know what they say about assuming), I don't want to change it simply for my own agenda. I'd like to see it at least reworked because of how old it is. It'd be as if we kept George Washington alive somehow since the first day he took office. You wouldn't keep the same man as president that long, would you?
  10. fleinn

    fleinn 101010

    Maybe a new convention would be an idea. Then all the theories about executive power might actually have to be discussed in the context of a constitution for a government (and maybe they would broadcast it on c-span. I hope I can get enough pop- corn..).

    ...then again, this is why politicians say things like "let's prepare to start to plan for a way to change things". But in this case I think it might be accurate and very wise for once. Because if people aren't thinking about a solution in terms of a constitution, it's not going to work. (I suppose it's possible that if the country was prepared for another convention, it would find out the existing constitution is good enough, though..)

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