Should Puerto Rico Become a U.S. State?

Discussion in 'Politics & Law' started by Mirage, Apr 28, 2010.

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Should Puerto Rico Become a U.S. State?

  1. Yes

    33.3%
  2. No

    66.7%
  1. Mirage

    Mirage Administrator Staff Member V.I.P.

    This continues to come up.

    What do you think? Should Puerto Rico become a U.S. state? This will be voted on in the very near future once again.

    I think it should NEVER become a state. It's almost a different country altogether. The culture is different and so is almost everything about it. We don't need these people voting on things that will effect the rest of the US.
     
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  2. Swiftstrike

    Swiftstrike Registered Member

    Ultimately it is their choice since they are the ones voting it down every time it arises.

    You could say the same thing about Hawaii. I think in general your viewpoint is very xenophobic with that stance.

    Each state is different and values different things.

    Conservative spin: Texans value American exceptionalism and isolationism which what this nation was found upon. While New York values socialism and the perpetual welfare state.

    Liberal spin: Texan presents a distorted and narrow view of what defines America, while New York a city of immigrants values diversity and community more accurately represents our nation.
     
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  3. dDave

    dDave Guardian of the Light V.I.P.

    I would be completely fine with it if Puerto Rico voted to become a state, as long as the correct procedures were followed.

    Puerto Rico could vote at any time on whether or not they want to become a state they've done so 3 times since 1967 I believe, and they have not voted yes ever.

    But when Congress passes a bill requiring them to vote on it at their demand it's a bit different.

    The question presented to Puerto Ricans will not be "Do you want to become a state?" Like it has been for the past 3 votes on this, it's definitely the most clear way to state that question.

    If this bill passes the question will not be "Do you want to become a state?", no, no, of course not, it's "Do you want the island to keep it's current status?"

    What it's basically doing is asking if people want change and then if they vote yes there's only one option.

    Well I guess technically there are three options, however 2 of them are so wildly unpopular that they would never win.

    1. Statehood
    2. Full Independence
    3. Modified Commonwealth



    Statehood is really the only option that they will have if they vote that they do not want to maintain the "current status".


    Source: Puerto Rican Statehood Ahead? - Glenn Beck - FOXNews.com





    Under these conditions I vote no. If Puerto Rico voted on it themselves, independent of what Congress is forcing down their throats, then I'd be fine with this.

    This is all about politics and power though. Undoubtedly PR would vote very liberally.
     
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  4. ExpectantlyIronic

    ExpectantlyIronic e̳̳̺͕ͬ̓̑̂ͮͦͣ͒͒h̙ͦ̔͂?̅̂ ̾͗̑

    Not so. According to the AFP:

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    Oh, I see what the issue is. The fact there's two votes. It doesn't matter. The last time "no change" was put on a ballot alongside the other options, it only received around 1% of the vote. Granted, on that ballot, there was a "none of the above" option and no "sovereignty associated with the US" option, and the "none of the above" option got the most votes; but I doubt the "none of the above" voters really wanted to vote "no change", and all accidentally checked the wrong box. In any case:

    -source

    Really, is opposing the statehood of Puerto Rico on the grounds of how it might effect the congressional makeup any better than supporting it on such grounds? In either case, I can't imagine any action being taken unless there is a clear majority of Puerto Ricans in favor of one action or another.
     
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  5. dDave

    dDave Guardian of the Light V.I.P.

    No I completely understand that technically there are 3 options. I actually had them listed above.

    1. Statehood
    2. Full Independence
    3. Modified Commonwealth (Same thing as sovereignty associated with U.S.)


    They're twisting the way this has been done in the past, that's what I don't like about it.

    Since it actually already passed, Puerto Ricans only need to vote for changing the status of the island for this to be a fairly secure and done deal, since statehood would definitely win if they voted to change the status. The Democrats in Congress would definitely vote in approval of adding them as a state.


    Right now Puerto Rico reaps the benefits of U.S. tax dollars but the citizens do not pay income taxes, seems a bit odd to me, while I think that they should pay income taxes I don't want them to become a state by these means Congress has forced on them.

    From what I've heard 80% of the island is below our poverty line. (not confirmed, I've only heard that several times)


    Check this out though, this is the final result of the 1993 vote on this issue.


    Judging by that it's pretty much impossible that Puerto Rico will vote to keep the current Status, since it's a yes or a no on keeping the current status, there are enough people in support of being a state and being independent combined that they could potentially put this through, especially if many "none of the above" voters decide they don't want to keep the current status. Since it's a yes or a no, it could be interpreted differently since there are no other options.
     
  6. pro2A

    pro2A Hell, It's about time!

    I'm going to say no, mainly because I don't want to have to get new flags. Plus they have voted 3 times not to become a state. Leave em be.
     
  7. ExpectantlyIronic

    ExpectantlyIronic e̳̳̺͕ͬ̓̑̂ͮͦͣ͒͒h̙ͦ̔͂?̅̂ ̾͗̑

    Commonwealths generally get out of having much tax burden. Mainly because of the whole, "no-taxation-without-representation" thing. Imposing the income tax on them without giving them statehood would almost certainly be met with far more disapproval by Puerto Ricans than simply imposing statehood.

    I think too much is being inferred from past polls. If there is one thing I know about polls, it's that you can get drastically different results just by replacing a single term with a synonym. So we can't predict past results will carryover to this poll, particularly since this one has been ordered to be conducted by the United States Congress; making it different sorta deal. Though, it is only a poll. I don't know that I necessarily see Democrats in Congress taking on a big fight to make Puerto Rico a state unless this poll comes up really strongly in favor of such things.
     
  8. dDave

    dDave Guardian of the Light V.I.P.

    Well I completely understand the no taxation without representation.

    What I meant by that was that I think they should pay taxes, and to do that they would have to become a state, however I don't want them to become a state, thus they will not be paying taxes, of course it'd be unfair to make them pay taxes without representation. (just to make sure we're on the same page)




    As far as past polls, I agree, simply changing a single word can make it drastically different, I'm just not so sure about making it 50% different that seems like a big number maybe a bit far fetched.


    The Senate actually hasn't passed this yet I don't believe, but they're expected to.





    But looking at it, I don't think a lot of people are going to vote to keep the status quo, given a yes or a no, I think most people would vote yes, and then they're given the three deadly options.
     
  9. MenInTights

    MenInTights not a plastic bag

    I'm having a hard time figuring out why I should be opposed to Puerto Rico being a state or why I should even care. This is the same plan they used for Alaska statehood and that worked out fairly well. Many of my friends in Alaska would disagree, but statehood has seemed to be mutually beneficial for both Alaska and the US.

    I guess the only real question I have is what can Puerto Rico bring to the US by being a state? If they can benefit the US by being a full state, I'd be all for it.
     
  10. easyD

    easyD Registered Member

    I would assume that the logical thing to do would be to maintain status quo in regards to Puerto Rico.
     

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