Sarah Palin

Discussion in 'Politics & Law' started by pro2A, Sep 28, 2010.

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Do You Like Sarah Palin??

  1. No, I absolutely do not.

    63.6%
  2. Yes, I like her quite a bit.

    36.4%
  3. Ehh....I Really Could Care Less About Her.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. pro2A

    pro2A Hell, It's about time!

    Lets do this...

    Give me one solid reason why she would not make a good President (Assuming she ran against Obama in 2012). She is not a big government elitist, she supports low taxes (and possibly abolishing the IRS), personal freedom and more choice for the individual. I don't want to hear that she's uneducated unless you can provide proof that her IQ is lower than yours.

    I think the uneducated argument is rooted in fear from people that support big government and can not refute her policies of small government, so they resort to personal attacks. Many of whom play into the media hype.

    What has she done to deserve the scorn? Having a funny accent doesn't equal a low IQ. Attack her policies, not her.

    Discuss...
     
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  2. Sim

    Sim Registered Member

    Ok -- point 1): It's not her IQ I am attacking (I don't know it anyway), but her horrible performance in interviews and public debates I've seen, which makes me think she is not suited for the office of President.

    Don't get me wrong: I don't think this often criticized performance means she is dumb. It's easy to look dumb on national tv when you are just not very well versed in public speaking. That doesn't mean she is dumb, she obviously just doesn't have much experience with TV appearances. But when you are running for President, you need to be a good public speaker and you need to have the capacity to speak well in tv interviews and debates. So this is one reason why I think she is not (yet) suited for such a high office.

    This may make her sympathetic as an individual, because she comes across as "down-to-earth", and many people would love to have a drink with her. But that doesn't mean people will trust her to be a good President.

    And I think her lacking skills on that field are a symptom for point 2): She doesn't have much experience. Obama is an old fox compared to her. If she had more experience, she would be able to perform better on tv. Maybe she can acquire this experience, and maybe she'd make a good secretary in a future administration. But I really think she should do that kind of job for 4 or 8 years, before she'd be suited for the office of President, if she'll ever be suited for that.

    Point 3) is that she will polarize the voters and not likely be able to attract enough swing voters. Her lifestyle is arch-conservative and both left of center and centrist people strongly dislike her. She stands for everything even many moderate people, who sometimes vote Republican, hate about the right -- what secular people consider to be religious bigotry, arch-conservative backwards values and a preachy attitude: The kind of "daddy state-conservatism" that meddles into people's bedrooms and privacy, with an aggressive squariness. Regardless of her stances, that's probably how many people see her.

    It doesn't matter those left of the center won't vote for her, because they won't anyway, but I doubt she could attract enough voters from the center. Sure, the far-right and some of the Tea Party people like her, even adore her down-to-earth attitude, but that's only the far-right third of the voters. Basically everybody else strongly dislikes or even despises her. Not few people believe her nomination as McCain's running mate costed him crucial votes. So I think if the Republicans let her run for President, that would be the safest way to a second term for Obama.

    Personally, I'd not vote for her if I were American, unless the other candidate is Josef Stalin himself, or Adolf Hitler, risen from the dead.
     
  3. pro2A

    pro2A Hell, It's about time!

    I know this is a short response addressing your one issue but I need to get to bed here... but I know many people on the conservative right and even right of center are tired of getting stuck choosing between option 1. Liberal lite (John McCain) or option 2. Liberal Socialist (Obama). Many Americans are tired of having to choose between two elitists.

    Americans want fresh faces with real American values in Washington to shrink government and many people believe Palin is the choice for that. I do not feel Palin will be like Bush, but more like another Reagan or even going far back as Calvin Coolidge. She is a down to earth American that respects the Constitution... I think the media portrays her as another elitist Bush type of Republican when in fact she is far from that.

    The media and liberal base are terrified of her because they know what she really stands for. Small government, less intervention, privacy rights and... gasp :-o Restoring the Constitution to it's original intent. That flys in the face of the whole big government agenda that both parties hold dear.

    So they attack her personally to shine a bad light on her. I believe if the truth is spread about her and where she really stands many of the moderate to center right wont get stuck picking between two elitists in the general election.
     
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  4. generalblue

    generalblue Where is my Queen?

    Obama is not an old fox compared to her, when he was Senator most of the votes that were controversial big votes were no decisions and the regular smaller bills were voted with his party. Obama is a follower not a leader.
     
  5. Jeanie

    Jeanie still nobody's bitch V.I.P. Lifetime

    I'm going to hate myself for this but here goes

    She's just not all that impressive. You (pro) and others around here stand for the same things you like about her, but that doesn't qualify you to be President either.

    The $150 per wolf bounty when she was governor of Alaska is sickening. There are other more scientifically sound methods of predator control. Rather than considering any of the alternative options, she offered this bounty to pilots and gunners to gun down wolves from helicopters. Her refusal to consider alternatives indicates to me that she would not make a good president.

    Not to mention the allegations against her regarding her firing of the Public Safety Commissioner because he wouldn't fire her brother-in-law. Even if this is not why he was dismissed, the fact that she wanted her brother-in-law fired while in the midst of a custody battle is a gross abuse of power, and highly unprofessional. I wouldn't want a person who has abused her power in such a manner to hold the highest office in the nation. That is what frightens me, not that she stands for smaller government.
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    Also, you say that she supports more choice for the individual, but she is vehemently pro-life/anti-choice. This is not supporting more choice for individuals, regardless of where you stand on abortion. Libertarians such as yourself would surely not support a candidate who would so readily interfere with another person's autonomy. Again, regardless of where you stand on abortion, the individual should be free to make that decision, not the government. Unless you actually do support government making decisions for people.
     
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  6. SmilinSilhouette

    SmilinSilhouette Registered Member

    Palin has been subjected to hostile interviews from the ruling class loving media. I can understand why you hold this opinion as it is perpetuated mercilessly by the mainstream liberal media who seek to destroy anyone that is conservative. If the media had actually vetted Obama, investingating him with the same vigor that is applied to any conservative then Obamas failings would be apparent. He is not a good speaker, he is a great orator when on script provided by his always present teleprompter. Do you notice that he gives no press conferences? That the media is incredibly gentle and kind to him? Asking only softball questions that he is prepared to answer?

    Palin was the executive of a state, Obama was a politician that voted "present" so that he could not be pinned down on any controversial issue. There is a "Frontline" (liberal leaning PBS) show about his grooming where I believe it was Tom Daschle that bragged about his advice to Obama in this regard. It was his expectation to be rewarded in the Obama administration, but the puppet master was thrown under the bus at the first opportunity. Obama has no relevant experience, only an alliance with those that share his ideology. Good coaching and talking in platitudes that allow the listener to project upon him their hopes and desires has been his greatest asset. Platitudes like "hope" and "change" have turned into the reality that when he's done with his political rivals (republicans, entrepeneurs, business, the upper middle class and high income earners that aren't on board with his progressive ideals) they will hope they are left with some change in their pockets.

    That is the attitude the media has hoped to instill in the sheeple through their constant demonization of Palin.
     
  7. Bubbles

    Bubbles I ♥ Haters

    That pretty much sums up why this woman should not be president. She has no business running for president if she has no idea what the vice president does and she was a VP nominee. I have nothing against her, but she's just a very mediocre political figure. Nobody takes her seriously.

    YouTube - Sarah Palin Gets VP Job Description Wrong
     
  8. MenInTights

    MenInTights not a plastic bag

    I think Palin has 2 problems and 1 solution.

    The problems are:

    1) She has been successfully dubbed as inexperienced, dumb and extremist. Example - Most people think Palin said she can see Russia from her house. Palin was a fantastic governor. She was an anti-establishment small government leader long before the TeaParty made it a popular concept. People talk about not being an R or a D, but Palin destroyed the Republican empires of Murkowski and Stevens(R.I.P.-Ted Stevens) in Alaska. Lisa Murkowski running as a write-in has more to do with avenging the political loses of herself and her father than anything else.

    2) Sexism is the last barrier in the highest level of political office. This seems like an interesting book on the matter: Did Clinton and Palin Get a Raw Deal in 2008? - CBS Evening News - CBS News
    I know I will get the "come on, you gotta be kidding me". Answer this honestly. Could any female politician running for Senate do this: (NSFW) Senator Scott Brown's nude Cosmo centerfold photo surfaces! - The Dish Rag - Zap2it and still get elected?


    Solution:
    She needs to prove herself in a national position. VP will not do, it needs to be a real job. The best proving ground for Palin would be Department of Interior or Department of Energy. Every President since Nixon has promised we would be energy independent and its gotten worse since then. If Palin could clean up the DOI or DOE(like she did in AK with the Conservation Commission) and turn our oil situation around, she would be a hero. Plus being DOI would allow her to be out of the spotlight for 8 years and I think for her family's sake she needs that.
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    erhh yeah. By that standards, shouldn't we impeach Obama for being president of 57 states and Biden for saying he is 3rd in line to be President?
     
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  9. SmilinSilhouette

    SmilinSilhouette Registered Member

    Vice-Presidential Duties
    The framers also devoted scant attention to the vice president's duties, providing only that he "shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be evenly divided" (Article I, section 3). In practice, the number of times vice presidents have exercised this right has varied greatly. John Adams holds the record at 29 votes, followed closely by John C. Calhoun with 28. Since the 1870s, however, no vice president has cast as many as 10 tie-breaking votes. While vice presidents have used their votes chiefly on legislative issues, they have also broken ties on the election of Senate officers, as well as on the appointment of committees in 1881 when the parties were evenly represented in the Senate.

    Source: U.S. Senate: Art & History Home > People > Officers & Staff > Vice President of the United States (President of the Senate)

    It would seem she does have an idea of the role of VP.
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    Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban. In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion.
    Source: Michael Gerson - Obama's Abortion Extremism - washingtonpost.com

    So shooting overpopulated wolves is a deal breaker, but opposing the protection of living human babies gets a pass?
     
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  10. CaptainObvious

    CaptainObvious Son of Liberty V.I.P.

    The problem I have is I hear Palin say these things all the time "lower taxes" "less government intrusion" "smaller government" "the original intent of the framers" and I can't help but think she has no idea what the fuck any of those things mean. SS is right, she has been subjected to unfair scrutiny, but there have been example after example of her flubbing even the simplest question.

    I agree the personal attacks are unfair, but at the same time all she does is regurgitate talking points, much like Obama does. Lots of flair with no substance. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard her make a statement of substance.
     

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