Russian Scholar Predicts US Collapse by 2011

Mirage

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Change, as they say, can be both good and bad. What are your thoughts on this article?

Russian scholar Igor Panarin predicts that the US will collapse by 2011. He's the "dean at the Foreign Ministry's school for diplomats and a regular on Russia's state-guided TV channels" according to the article.

Russian scholar says US will collapse — next year

He is predicting that:

  1. President Barack Obama will order martial law this year
  2. The U.S. will split into six rump-states before 2011
  3. Russia and China will become the backbones of a new world order.

If anything, the article is worth reading. Some of the stuff in it could definitely happen. Take this for example:

Panarin insisted he didn't wish for a U.S. collapse, but he predicted Russia and China would emerge from the economic turmoil stronger and said the two nations should work together, even to create a new currency to replace the U.S. dollar.
Here's another quote from him:

"I was there recently and things are far from good," he said. "What's happened is the collapse of the American dream."
I think I'd agree. The American Dream has been replaced by "The American Promise".

I think we need to get our act together. The stuff in the article isn't that far fetched.

So what do you think? Is he full of hot air or is he on to something?
 

Bananas

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Sounds like propaganda and hot air.

There is a major flaw in his arguement.

  • China is a developing country, China needs the US and the dollar to keep the Yuan strong. It has no reason to see the US's demise. Unlike Russia it has trilllions of DOLLARS in reserve.

If you look at Chinese foriegn policy it contradicts Russian ambition. They may have the treaty of goodneighbourliness but that means little when it comes to international affairs.

From wikipedia:
Foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang made a statement about the eight-point diplomatic philosophy of the People's Republic of China
  1. China will not seek hegemony. China is still a developing country and has no resources to seek hegemony. Even if China becomes a developed country, it will not seek hegemony.
  2. China will not play power politics and will not interfere with other countries' internal affairs. China will not impose its own ideology on other countries.
  3. China maintains all countries, big or small, should be treated equally and respect each other. All affairs should be consulted and resolved by all countries on the basis of equal participation. No country should bully others on the basis of strength.
  4. China will make judgment on each case in international affairs, each matter on the merit of the matter itself and it will not have double standards. China will not have two policies: one for itself and one for others. China believes that it cannot do unto others what they do not wish others do unto them.
  5. China advocates that all countries handle their relations on the basis of the United Nations Charter and norms governing international relations. China advocates stepping up international cooperation and do not play politics unilaterally. China should not undermine the dignity and the authority of the U.N. China should not impose and set its own wishes above the U.N. Charter, international law and norms.
  6. China advocates peaceful negotiation and consultation so as to resolve its international disputes. China does not resort to force, or threat of force, in resolving international disputes. China maintains a reasonable national military buildup to defend its own sovereignty and territorial integrity. It is not made to expand, nor does it seek invasion or aggression.
  7. China is firmly opposed to terrorism and the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. China is a responsible member of the international community, and as for international treaties, China abides by all them in a faithful way. China never plays by a double standard, selecting and discarding treaties it does not need.
  8. China respects the diversity of civilization and the whole world. China advocates different cultures make exchanges, learn from each other, and compliment one another with their own strengths. China is opposed to clashes and confrontations between civilizations, and China does not link any particular ethnic group or religion with terrorism.



...saying their great psychological stress is evident from school shootings, the size of the prison population and the number of gay men.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


President Barack Obama will order martial law this year
Possible, if it does it will be down to civil disorder through economic resentment, but the US citizens are progressive by nature and I think tey(you) would prefer to stand up to the plate and battle through hard times together than to bitch and protest about things which are out of their control.


the U.S. will split into six rump-states before 2011
So what if it does, I do not for a moment believe that any part of the US will break its Union. They may seek state scale soverignty and less federal influence, putting the US more on par with a nation state that would resemble the EU. It may decentralise but it wont dissolve.

Russia and China will become the backbones of a new world order.
China will by its very nature. The US will weaken as will the individual European states, but the EU will strengthen, NATO will strengthen, sino-western affairs will strengthen, global unity will strengthen to prevent a global recession happening again.

Russian ambitions will only hinder Chinese intent. Russia may try and ride Chinas coat-tails but even China understands what areas of global political and economical policy is best for them. (.........and it is not in Siberia).
 

ExpectantlyIronic

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Russia is always so competitive and confrontational. They just need to settle down a bit: go to the baths, have a shot of vodka, maybe not let a real-life action hero run the country. It would do them and everyone else a lot of good.
 

Stab-o-Matic5000

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Obama declaring martial law by the end of this year? Absolute bullshit. Things aren't even all that bad in this country still. 91% of Americans still have jobs, and somehow I don't think we'll see riots by the end of this year that will necessitate the declaration of martial law. And the United States splitting up? It didn't happen during the Great Depression, why would it happen now?
 

1992

Registered Member
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LOL, this russian sounds like the 'Prophets of Doom'. Firstly, this is just mere speculation. Yes, US now is in quite a bad shape but that does n't mean it will stay this way or decline until 2011. If USA citizens believe this things said by a guy even not from the USA, how could they trust their own country then. Now... what if a USA scholar said the same thing about Russia. Will we actually believe that Russia will collapse? All of this is just mere speculation of people jumping to conclusions too fast.
 
#6
One thing I thought about: if the U.S. does indeed collapse by 2011 does that mean the rest of the world will end in December 2012?

And I know people from all angles have been predicting the end of this and collapse of that from the get-go so I'm hesitant to call it a real situation.
 

CaptainObvious

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Change, as they say, can be both good and bad. What are your thoughts on this article?

Russian scholar Igor Panarin predicts that the US will collapse by 2011. He's the "dean at the Foreign Ministry's school for diplomats and a regular on Russia's state-guided TV channels" according to the article.

Russian scholar says US will collapse — next year

He is predicting that:

  1. President Barack Obama will order martial law this year
  2. The U.S. will split into six rump-states before 2011
  3. Russia and China will become the backbones of a new world order.
If anything, the article is worth reading. Some of the stuff in it could definitely happen. Take this for example:



Here's another quote from him:



I think I'd agree. The American Dream has been replaced by "The American Promise".

I think we need to get our act together. The stuff in the article isn't that far fetched.

So what do you think? Is he full of hot air or is he on to something?
I would agree that I don't think what he is predicting is too far fetched. I think 2011 is too soon, but I could see it happening within the next 10-15 years.