Religious End Times Prophecies

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by Mirage, Feb 11, 2010.

  1. Mirage

    Mirage Administrator Staff Member V.I.P.

    Alright this thread was getting a little off topic so I'm starting this new thread to discuss end times and prophecies relating to end times. Feel free to discuss this in regards to any religion, but quote your sources if you reference religions literature.

    So, what are your thoughts on end times prophecies? Do you think they represent people trying to move the target in front of the arrow per say, or do you feel there is truth behind them?
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  2. Chaos

    Chaos Epic Gamer V.I.P. Lifetime

    (Taken from the Conversion thread.)

    I'm afraid it's your ignorance showing here; the handy thing about a prophecy is that you can make one and not have to worry about being wrong. After all, it either happens, or "it hasn't happened yet". :rolleyes: There aren't time limits; given a long enough time frame there's a much higher statistical chance of the claim coming true. I could say China will devolve back into seperate warring provinces - wait a few thousand years, if it happens, hey! I'm a prophet! If it doesn't, I can afford to wait. :dunno:
  3. Wade8813

    Wade8813 Registered Member

    That depends on the prophecy. Obviously some, you can do that with. But some prophecies are more specific than that.
  4. Sim

    Sim Registered Member

    There is also such a thing as self-fulfilling prophecies:

    When a certain prophecy is sufficiently popular, and even comes with religious convictions, it's possible that some believers will, deliberately or unconsciously, contribute to making it becoming reality, especially when other good events are supposed to come with it. That's because they see current events and decisions through the lense of these prophecies.

    For example, the idea of founding an Israeli state and the Jews returning to the Holy Land could be an example. Most Jews knew these prophecies, and maybe that's what inspired zionism in the first place.
  5. Bananas

    Bananas Endangered Species

    It is nothing more than a case of the great illusionists convincing the great delusionists.

    One of the funniest events in history has to be the Great Disappointment
    even the name makes me chuckle.
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  6. MenInTights

    MenInTights not a plastic bag

    You're just wrong. There has never been a nation scattered for any length of time and brought back together like the Jewish nation. Sure your example can come true. Nation devolve all the time. I am talking about a race of people scattered throughout the world for a couple thousand years and then suddenly brought back together to their original land just as was predicted. What you said is nothing compared to that.

    "And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them....And they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God." Amos 9:14-15

    ..And over a dozen more passages that specifically call for the nation to be scattered and reborn. Every serious theologian understands the re-birth of Israel is a major fulfillment of prophecy and has never been remotely duplicated.

    It is funny, except for the fact he was a false prophet who lead people astray. If people would have read the words of Jesus, they never would have followed this guy.
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  7. PretzelCorps

    PretzelCorps Registered Member

    Right then; these exact words, more or less, have been spoken almost innumerable times in defense of religious end times prohecies, on all fronts. I think it's about time to call shenanigans --> The quote above is your exact wording, and you make it sound as though it would be easy for you to do so, so let's have it. Let's have you list 100 specific prophecies that have been fullfilled, and would be able to avoid all scrutiny on my part.
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  8. MenInTights

    MenInTights not a plastic bag

    cool - give me time and I will. I've got 3 jobs-It takes a little more time than it used to, but you can start with my last post.
  9. PretzelCorps

    PretzelCorps Registered Member

    Prophecies regarding the founding of the state of Israel were already adressed in Sim's post --> "Self-fullfilling prophecy" is far more common than people think, or even want to think. It occurs when a person tells another person that some event is going to happen, and that person believes it to a point of influencing following events to that end.

    For example, if a so-called fortuneteller were to say to someone "I predict you will meet the love of your life today," and that person believed it, he would leave excited, and actively looking for this person he's supposed to meet. He might happen to bump into a woman on the street, and all of the sudden the gears will start turning; "Oh my goodness, this must be the love of my life!!" He'll pursue her with vigour, as he believes he is "meant" to, and he'll be amazed when his relentless pursuit eventually ends up exactly as predicted --> He is successful because he is confident in himself, however; not because it was meant to be.
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  10. MenInTights

    MenInTights not a plastic bag

    you're over-simplifying it. The Jews were scattered from Jerusalem around 70AD. From that point until 1943, they lived in various parts of the world as a single race with a single connection of religion and history. Africans that were taken during slavery no longer maintain their African religion and heritage and that's only been 200 years. African-Americans have married at a high rate with other races in America, and there is now a clear difference in appearance between Africans and African-Americans. Likewise, I cannot walk down an American street and say with any certainty: he is from Irish decent, she is from Spanish decent, he is from American Indian. Things have become incredible homogenized in the last 200 years of America. Its unreasonable that the Jewish people would not 'blend in' in the course of 1900 years.

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