Poll for non-Americans

Discussion in 'Politics & Law' started by ysabel, Aug 2, 2008.

  1. ysabel

    ysabel /ˈɪzəˌbɛl/ pink 5

    In the 2004 US elections, someone asked me to check out this betavote site which basically surveys: What if the whole world could vote in this (US) election? This question comes up because US is the most powerful and influental nation in the world and everyone everywhere is somehow affected by their elections. Btw, Kerry bagged that.

    I'm trying to look for recent world polls but only have the Euro votes (which backed Obama). However, a Newsweek article also cites that while Europe loves Obama for the US, they would not most likely vote for someone like him at home.


    Anyway, two questions:

    1. If you could vote, would you really choose Obama to be president of the USA?

    2. What are the chances of someone like Obama (minority/mixed ethnicity, liberal) winning in your own country as your top leader?
     
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  2. Atreyu

    Atreyu #2 New Zealander

    I could care less about America, and there politics to be honest. So i wouldn't vote.

    But considering NZ has had a Female president for the last 8(i think) years. Yes, minority can win here.
     
  3. ysabel

    ysabel /ˈɪzəˌbɛl/ pink 5

    We've not had a female president here but we had a female prime minister (still it was a position appointed by the president and not a public vote). Last year, we almost had it - closest we could get to having one, lol.

    The female Socialist Party candidate almost beat Sarkozy (our current president). Despite being liberal myself, I didn't vote for her. It has nothing to do with her gender. Although I do know that some in here didn't vote for her simply based on that reason.
     
  4. Bjarki

    Bjarki Registered Member

    Here in Holland people say that even Obama is too right for dutch voters. I think a lot of people would vote for small parties with a bigger leftish background. Personally, I'm not sure. Obama is very charismatic and a good debater, but I'm a little mistrustful of him. He has very 'popular' ideas, he promises mountains of gold, but personally I wouldn't know how he's going to achieve these things. In that respect I prefer McCain, he seems a little more down to earth, but well, too right for me. So I guess Obama if I have to pick one of the two.

    I don't think gender is a real issue here. Germany has Merkel, England had Thatcher, we haven't had one yet, but it may happen any time.
    Religion on the other hand is an issue. In the US you can only become a president when you're a Christian. In the Netherlands that's fine, but an atheist could also ascend to office. Muslims on the other hand are a no go, I'm fairly sure about that.
    And ethnicity goes along those lines. People from Turkey or Morocco wouldn't be very popular, based on their Muslim background and the strong bond they have to their motherlands. People with an Indonesian background may be successful though, unlike the article claims. They have been here for a long time and are well integrated, it wouldn't be much of an issue.
     
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  5. Pugz

    Pugz Ms. Malone V.I.P. Lifetime

    I'd vote for Obama for the US but i'm not sure if he'd...fit with Parliament and it would all depend on which party he would join; i'm sure the Conservatives would love him.
     
  6. Mason

    Mason phawq

    Wouldn't really matter who I'd vote. There's always a likelihood that the winner, regardless of who it is, will screw up.
     
  7. Obdurate

    Obdurate Registered Member

    Not just a likelihood... I expect them too.

    I don't vote for that reason, among others.
     
  8. ysabel

    ysabel /ˈɪzəˌbɛl/ pink 5

    Isn't it interesting how liberal we are in Europe that we consider Obama as "right" or "conservative" if he's here, while they think he's too lefty in the US? :lol:


    We don't discuss much about the candidate's religion over here. It's almost a non-issue probably because we don't like religious affiliation ruling over political decisions. The less we talk about it, the better. Fundamentalists who cannot separate their political self from their religious self will have a problem getting votes (I guess that's just as bad for a die-hard Christian as for a die-hard Muslim).
     
  9. Bananas

    Bananas Endangered Species

    This question really depends on what perspective I would be voting from. As an insider or an outsider?

    If I was voting from a US perspective; I would vote McCain, he will ride the tough times that lay ahead better, he has experience and is focused on the current problems.

    If I were voting from a Euro perspective; I would vote Obama, he will bring the US back politically into its place within the west, as it is becoming more and more disenfranchised from the rest of the world.

    I dont think either one will have a good time of it, the US is sliding and who ever takes office will get the brunt of the blame for it.

    Unlikely, I don't think it is due to racism but institutional ethnic variance. Politics is an industry like any other, it is not that there are no minority ethnicity politicians but there are few minority ethnic people who take up politics and once they do they are few and far between so treating humans like numbers its all to do with probability.
     
  10. ysabel

    ysabel /ˈɪzəˌbɛl/ pink 5

    Outsider. :nod:

    And I agree with what you said about being blamed, whoever wins. :)

    It did make me think how we'd choose someone for another country (and hope that will work) even after the knowledge that the same might not work for our own country.
     
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