Palin scandal du jour

Discussion in 'Politics & Law' started by Tucker, Oct 22, 2008.

  1. Tucker

    Tucker Lion Rampant

    ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Gov. Sarah Palin charged the state for her children to travel with her, including to events where they were not invited, and later amended expense reports to specify that they were on official business.

    The charges included costs for
    hotel and commercial flights for three daughters to join Palin to watch their father in a snowmobile race, and a trip to New York, where the governor attended a five-hour conference and stayed with 17-year-old Bristol for five days and four nights in a luxury hotel.

    In all,
    Palin has charged the state $21,012 for her three daughters' 64 one-way and 12 round-trip commercial flights since she took office in December 2006. In some other cases, she has charged the state for hotel rooms for the girls.

    Alaska law does not address expenses for a governor's children.
    The law allows expense payment for anyone conducting official state business.

    Palin charged Alaska for her children's travel --

    I can predict with ease what some of you are about to say and my pre-emptive answer is threefold: one, it would absolutely still be in the news if it were Biden. Two, it's NOT Biden, it's Palin. Three, it's a legitimate story, not sleaze, because it appears on the face it it that she has defrauded the government while campaigning on a platform of reform and an anti-corruption record. Okay, now go ahead and defend this. Tomorrow we'll talk about her $150,000 shopping spree at Saks and Neiman-Marcus for hockey mom clothes and jewelry.

  2. Mirage

    Mirage Administrator Staff Member V.I.P.

    On the other hand we have a candidate who steals straight from the people by "spreading the wealth around".

    I'll take my chances with "take your child to work day" thank you very much. ;)

    Should we look into just how much money Obama has made from questionable associations and decisions he's made to benefit friends with large wallets?

    I'm not defending anything here. What you just posted just doesn't begin to compare to some of the stuff "Mr. That One" is getting away with that should be all over the news.
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  3. MenInTights

    MenInTights not a plastic bag

  4. Jeanie

    Jeanie still nobody's bitch V.I.P. Lifetime

    You make it sound like he just gave them that money. I hope that everyone clicks on your link and actually reads the article. It all looks legitimate to me.

    Joe Biden's sister is "a well-known and highly regarded political operative in Democratic politics in Delaware and nationally, and her firm has worked on top races from Michigan to Texas" according a source quoted in that article. It stands to reason that he would hire her.

    I work for a plumbing contractor. Do you think that if someone in my family needs a plumber, they're going to call someone else? no, they'll call my company.
  5. Tucker

    Tucker Lion Rampant

    Subject changed in >0.01 seconds. That's okay, I'm familiar with the "Look at the shiny keys!" ploy and can steer the discussion back on course. First, though, I'd like you to watch the three-minute video on this webpage, in which the 2000 John McCain, the one I liked, argued in favor of high tax brackets for the wealthy:

    ICKY PEOPLE: McCain in 2000: Wealthy People Can Afford More Taxes

    How subjective in partisanship can you get? Do you really mean to favorably compare embezzlement to a proposal that restructures the tax code in order to benefit the middle class? Under what country's laws is the latter a higher crime? Dumbfuckistan's, perhaps?

    Yes, because that dead imaginary horse hasn't been beaten into the ground enough.

    "Take your children to work day"?

    Talk about a euphemism, WOW.

    Name as many credible allegations as you want; I'll post five links to known news sources covering each one. And again, invoking unrelated issues does nothing to mitigate Palin's apparent thievery, deception and hypocrisy. It's only smoke and mirrors, the last bastion of the scoundrel's champion.
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  6. icegoat63

    icegoat63 Son of Liberty V.I.P. Lifetime

    I still dont understand the concept of hitting up the Wealthy with higher tax brackets. I mean come on, its simple bar stool economics (click the spoiler if you're interested), The wealthy already put in a much larger chunk than the poor and middle class do... So why punish them for being successful? Is it just because Not everyone can be Bill Gates? Thats BS in my book.

    Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

    The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.

    The fifth would pay $1.

    The sixth would pay $3.

    The seventh would pay $7.

    The eighth would pay $12.

    The ninth would pay $18.

    The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

    So, that's what they decided to do.

    The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers,' he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.' Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

    The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free.

    But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'

    They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

    So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

    And so:

    The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).

    The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).

    The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).

    The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).

    The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).

    The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

    Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

    'I only got a dollar out of the $20,'declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!'

    'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too.

    It's unfair that he got ten times more than I got' 'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'

    'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'

    The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

    The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

    And that, ladies and gentlemen, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
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  7. MenInTights

    MenInTights not a plastic bag

    What's the 'official' stance on Ayres? He's just some guy in the neighborhood that Obama barely knows? Obama didn't even know that the guy was a terrorist or something like that? And the McCain allegation has generally been there is some sort of friendship here that needs to be examined. Something along those lines. Believe it or not, I have not followed the Ayres story at all and generally just skip over anything to do with the guy.

    Anyway, as a State Senator, Obama was asked what his favorite book was:
    Barack Obama’s review of William Ayers' book zomblog
    The website also details how Obama and Ayres gave speeches together, served on some panel together, etc..

    You're not going to find that book review on any media sources. No media sources has read through the book to see exactly why was it Obama's favorite book. Five known news sources? No way.

    The media is biased. Everybody knows that. There's no need for Republicans to sit around and complain about it. They are tasked with delivering the message by other means. That's life. You know if McCain had said his favorite book was David Duke's book there would be an uproar. You can't deny that. Remember the days of coverage after Trent Lott told Strom Thurmand he woulda been a good President? Obama said his favorite book at he moment was by a radical hippie that still hasn't changes his tune in 30 years and no mainstream news org cares.

    There's bias - that's just the way it is.
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  8. Tucker

    Tucker Lion Rampant

    You find it unfair that each successive rung up the ladder gets a little bit harder, but you have no problem with a poor man spending ten or twenty percent of his income just to get to and from work, or a single mother having to choose between food for her children or heating their small apartment through the winter? You're welcome to such a viewpoint, but I subscribe to the "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" ethos that would have all people living in basic comfort. So, I'm confident, does Barack Obama.

    Would you feed a friend if he were starving? If so, according to the tenets of pure, every-man-for-himself capitalism, you must be some sort of radical, anti-American socialist. For shame!

    The official stance is that Obama naturally abhors and repudiates the violent actions that Ayers undertook in the early '70s in The Weathermen's misguided campaign against the Vietnam War when Obama was a child. The Ayers who is among Obama's hundreds of acquaintances, however, is a man who should be lauded for doing something meaningful with his life after all charges against him were dropped in 1973 at the request of Richard Nixon's Department of Justice. Here, since you admit to knowing little or nothing about the man except what you've heard in right-wing hit pieces, is a short list of the reformed Ayers' accomplishments:

    • Two Masters degrees in Early Childhood Education
    • Educational Doctorate in Curriculum and Instruction
    • Co-author, Chicago Annenberg Challenge, earning grants totaling $49.2M for public school reform from Walter Annenberg, former Nixon ambassador to the UK
    • Co-director, Chicago Forum for School Change
    • Chairman, Chicago Alliance for Better Schools
    • Assistant Deputy Mayor for Education, City of Chicago
    • 1997 Chicago Citizen of the Year
    • Distinguished Professor, University of Illinois at Chicago
    • Board of Directors, Woods Fund of Chicago (a grantmaking foundation addressing poverty, racism, etc.), serving alongside eminent Chicago-area citizens including a number of Republicans and one State Senator and presumptive future U.S. president named Barry

    Even before the short criminal period in his life, Ayers earned a B.A., taught preschool and picketed a Michigan pizzeria for refusing to seat African-Americans. He is also the co-guardian with his wife of Chesa Boudin, who is the son of two Weathermen jailed for robbery and a Rhodes Scholar.

    Pertinent quotes:
    "Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous." -Bill Burton, Obama presidential campaign spokesperson

    "The one thing I don't regret is opposing the war in Vietnam with every ounce of my being.... When I say, 'We didn't do enough,' a lot of people rush to think, 'That must mean, "We didn't bomb enough shit."' But that's not the point at all. It's not a tactical statement, it's an obvious political and ethical statement. In this context, 'we' means 'everyone.'" -William Ayers

    "I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child." -William C. Ibershof, lead federal prosecutor of the Weather Underground case
    Did you read all that, MIT? I hope so, because that's who Bill Ayers really is. Now, what was that you said in another thread about political attack machines smearing private citizens?

    Incidentally, a CNN review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the non-profit projects in which the two men were involved (and please don't tell me that you bet they found a smoking gun and hushed it up; that's just wack). Additionally, internal reviews by The New York Times, The Washington Post, Time magazine, The Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker (remember their cover with Obama as an Arab terrorist amd Michele as an armed and afro'd radical?) and The New Republic have all said that their investigations do not support the idea that Obama and Ayers ever had a close relationship.

    I said that I'd produce links for "legitimate allegations." The fact that a young and fresh-faced Obama enjoyed a book by a prominent Professor of Education titled "A Kind and Just Parent" is something less than a press-stopper. God forbid that he also read and was corrupted by some of Ayers' other subversive literature, like "Good Preschool Teachers" or "On the Side of the Child", eh?

    The truth behind the lies, friend Tights, and John McCain knows it well, is that this has been looked into, and how! McCain minions such as the nefarious Karl Rove, as well as countless other right-wing operatives, have done all good and diligent research with the intent of sullying the character of Senator Obama. They've had to settle instead for seizing on and puffing up non-stories such as this because Obama is an honorable American with no disqualifying scandals in his past. What will it take for you to understand this?

    No need is right! McCain's ongoing close friendship with convicted, jailed and vociferously unrepentant Watergate burglar G.Gordon Liddy, who advocated the genocide of the entire population of North Vietnam, advised Branch Davidians to shoot federal agents in the head because they wore flak jackets, praised Adolf Hitler as someone who "made me feel a strength inside I had never known before" and "sent an electric current through my body," and whose break-in at the Democratic National Headquarters brought down the American presidency and led to decades of mistrust of our government, has not received one percent of the media coverage that the onetime Obama-Ayers professional association has.

    But that's a subject for a later thread... and maybe an upcoming coup de grace ad campaign by the good folks at Obama '08. ;)
  9. MenInTights

    MenInTights not a plastic bag

    That's good information on Ayres. I feel I've got a decent report from the right and a decent report from the left(you). I wonder why Nixon would drop the case. That's strange, but not a big deal. I never looked at the guy until last week when I saw rather troubling video he did in 2003, but off hand I can't remember exactly what was said. Its funny, this whole time I had assumed the guy was non-white because I keep hearing bringing up Ayres is a racial play. I have no clue how to put those 2 together, but - whatever.

    The G. Liddy point is very good. You did an excellent job of grossly overstating and misrepresenting his positions on damn near everything and I am surprised that the media hasn't done the same. Hey - you did that so masterfully, you should go to work for the New York Times or CBS.
  10. icegoat63

    icegoat63 Son of Liberty V.I.P. Lifetime

    Its a beautiful sentiment. Problem is, its to easy to abuse.

    I have little faith in humanity, we are a breed of lazy, corner cutting, ankle biting creatures. Not everyone is going to put in their all if they dont need to. Thats what I dont like about this failed marxist sentiment. The overall feeling of it is grand, dont get me wrong. I love the fact that every person will be in their Utopia with little to no worries.

    Problem is, I see every day the people who abuse the already established welfare, wic, and other state grant systems that are meant with a good intention to help the many. And it chaps my ass to see these systems created with Good intention much like you and I want here... but abused by those to lazy to actually stand up and work for it.

    The scenario about feeding a friend... yeah I would feed he/she. But I would also expect that individual to pay me back either in helping around the house or in some other form or fashion. Nothings free, I'm not on the top of the food chain myself so choosing out of the good of my heart to help someone out is in fact gonna set me back a little. The last thing I want is for them to prove that other catch phrase right.... "Nice guys/gals eat shit sandwiches".

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