Obama's Bid to Close down Guantanomo Bay Prison

icegoat63

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Barack Obama wants Guantanamo Bay terror suspects to face US trials in a bid to close the controversial prison.

The US President-elect has described the Cuban Navy base as a "sad chapter in American history" and insisted that the US legal system could deal with the detainees.

Now his aides are putting together proposals to release some detainees while sending others to criminal trials on US soil.

A third group of high-risk cases may go before a new court designed to handle sensitive national security cases, according to advisers and Democrats involved in the talks.

Mr Obama, the future 44th president, is also expected to use his executive powers to reverse Bush administration policies on a range of issues, including stem cell research and oil exploration.

The potential move on Guantanamo is a contravention to the Bush administration, which established military tribunals to prosecute detainees and strongly opposes bringing prisoners to the United States.

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This'll be big news for alot of people who are seeking Obama's change and action when it comes to the War on Terror.
 
#2
I don't know, I never really liked the idea of having international prisons, especially one this close to home and some of those detainees aren't locked up for good reasons either.

I guess it sounds like a good idea.
 

Mirage

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I don't really like the idea and here's why. It's one thing to end waterboarding but giving terrorists the same legal rights as US citizens? US lawyers are paid to try to get their clients found innocent regardless of whether or not they are.

Some terrorists will have a ton of money and will be able to afford good lawyers. Others will simply find loopholes in the legal system. Bill Ayers for example... We don't need more people like him getting off Scott free because of legal technicalities.
 

Sim

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That's really good news. It's a shame a country that claims to be a free country denies suspects, many of which are innocent, fair trials -- that's what Nazi Germany did, that's what Stalin's USSR or Saddam's Iraq did, now the USA do it too.

A country where the right on a fair trial does not apply to suspects, and the rule "in dubio pro reo" is not in effect, is not a free country but a tyranny.

Fortunately, thanks to Obama, America will soon be a free country again.
 
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Saddam was given a fair trial I'm sure after he was captured and his country wasn't a real democracy, so why can't America, the "land of the free" do the same of it's accused?
 

Gavik

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I don't really like the idea and here's why. It's one thing to end waterboarding but giving terrorists the same legal rights as US citizens? US lawyers are paid to try to get their clients found innocent regardless of whether or not they are.

Some terrorists will have a ton of money and will be able to afford good lawyers. Others will simply find loopholes in the legal system. Bill Ayers for example... We don't need more people like him getting off Scott free because of legal technicalities.
If these "terrorists" were captured in a legal way and the government has ample evidence to prove their case, they should be given trials and found guilty. Otherwise, the US has no basis to hold them.
 

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Hybrix said:
We don't need more people like him getting off Scott free because of legal technicalities.
If we have to choose between assuming everyone accused of a crime must be guilty, and letting some guilty folks get away with their crimes, then I think we need to go with the later. Since Ayers now does good work as a professor, he was probably not a great example for you to use, btw.
 
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If I haven't said so already, some of those people in Guantanamo aren't even terrorists. Secondly if they're going to be tried here in America then you need to deal with it because it'd be the first time in a long time we actually upheld our country's principles of right to a fair trial.

On top of that this isn't the first time a foreign terrorist has been tried here, remember that Moussaoui guy who was involved in 9/11? He got a trial, found guilty obviously and is now rotting in prison.
 

Steerpike

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I don't really like the idea and here's why. It's one thing to end waterboarding but giving terrorists the same legal rights as US citizens? US lawyers are paid to try to get their clients found innocent regardless of whether or not they are.

Some terrorists will have a ton of money and will be able to afford good lawyers. Others will simply find loopholes in the legal system. Bill Ayers for example... We don't need more people like him getting off Scott free because of legal technicalities.
If someone is alleged to be guilty of violating some law, then they can be charged and tried for that alleged legal violation.

If there is not sufficient evidence to make credible charges that can stand up in a fair trial of an individual, then there is not sufficient reason to detain that individual.
 
#10
*shakes head* like Steerpike says - how is this controversial? In any way?

I suspect it's about how threatening random people on the street with abduction and torture is going to make terrorists think twice about wanting to destroy the liberties the US is protecting, or something - but I'd still like to hear it explained.