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Obamacare's math trickery

SmilinSilhouette

Registered Member
Repeal of Obamacare is going to cost $230 billion? Only when you lie and misrepresent. So every time they repeat this lie you will be informed about how ridiculous their lie is and how stupid they think YOU are.

Charles Krauthammer - Everything starts with repeal
 
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PretzelCorps

Registered Member
Only when you lie and misrepresent like a democrat.
Pretty sure I recall seeing a thread quite recently pointing out Republicans doing exactly the same thing on exactly the same subject, and I'm pretty sure I also recall you saying it's no big deal at all because people are smart enough to figure it out for themselves...

http://www.generalforum.com/politic...act-check-how-statistics-abused-dc-81173.html

So when you say things like that quote up there ^, writing "democrat" as though it were penultimately derogatory or vulgar, or as though Democrats were the only people on Earth who fudge the numbers a little, you're not exactly lending yourself mountains of credence...
 
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Merc

Problematic Shitlord
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Pretz, it's because it's democrats, that's why! They're so evil!

:rolleyes:

I do like how the author spends time trying to paint the CBO as a democratic tool with no validity rather than address the reality of the points it brought up about the bill.
 

SmilinSilhouette

Registered Member
My point in the other thread was the jobs estimate was made up number that doesn't matter. It is irrevelevant to my objection to an unconstitutional expansion of federal government, which remains the same.

The blatant lie talking point being touted by democrats is the repeal of a massive spending entitlement law is that not spending will cost money. As I have pointed out before the trick of taxing for 10 years to provide 6 years of benefit so the numbers appear to not increase deficits is inherently dishonest.

I do believe people are smart enough to see that. Otherwise people would buy a house that they start paying for now on a 30 year mortgage but can not take possession of that house until 12 years from now.
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@ PC: Once upon a time in the US there was such a thing as a conservative democrat. I think the far left has done their best to eject them from the party.

@ Cons: I don't think Krauthammer is trying to portray the CBO as partisan. He is merely pointing out that they must base their numbers on the presumptions they are given. If those presumptions are slanted then the results will reflect that slant.

@ Tuck: I don't recall ever saying that politicians of either party should be trusted.
 
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CaptainObvious

Embrace the Suck
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I don't think Krauthammer is portraying the CBO as a Democrat tool, he's saying the CBO had to base it on fudged numbers.

I don't see how doing away with an entitlement program is going to cost us money. It's like saying if we did away with Medicaid it would cost us money instead of saving money. ObamaCare may generate more government revenue with an increase in taxes, which of course means less discretionary income. Less discretionary income means less consumer spending thus leading to higher unemployment. My opinion is that it would be bad economically, never mind the Constitutional issues.
 

NeoCaesar

Registered Member
I'm utterly confused as to people's reaction to 'Obamacare'. As a Brit I am lucky enough to benefit from free healthcare. What it's greatest benefit to me as a patient is that it is soley about improving my health and no where is the ugly spectre of money. It the US you are at the mercy of your insurer -it is a less personal, money orientated system. This sits badly as me as doctors are meant to be carers no matter what. Do they not take a hypocratic oath to always preserve life? How does that go with insurers profit margins? They say 'I want to give you the best care I can but your insurer says...'. Free healthcare is not for evil commies. It is about looking after people that need it.
 

SmilinSilhouette

Registered Member
There is no such thing as free health care. Someone is paying for it. Maybe that someone is not you, but rest assured someone is paying.

The reason many of us here object to government run health care is because it is unconstitutional! It is not the right of the federal government to impose this upon me and others who do not want government bureaucrats to interject themselves in the most intimate decisions in our lives.
 

CaptainObvious

Embrace the Suck
V.I.P.
There is no such thing as free health care. Someone is paying for it. Maybe that someone is not you, but rest assured someone is paying.
Exactly

The reason many of us here object to government run health care is because it is unconstitutional! It is not the right of the federal government to impose this upon me and others who do not want government bureaucrats to interject themselves in the most intimate decisions in our lives.
Let me also add it leads to the rationing of care which I oppose to. There are much better free market solutions that would extend more and better care but we get stuck on this "government is the solution" mantra and refuse to accept anything else.
 

NeoCaesar

Registered Member
There is no such thing as free health care. Someone is paying for it. Maybe that someone is not you, but rest assured someone is paying.

The reason many of us here object to government run health care is because it is unconstitutional! It is not the right of the federal government to impose this upon me and others who do not want government bureaucrats to interject themselves in the most intimate decisions in our lives.
Yeah, my taxes pay for it -I'm not that naive. I'm also quite content to know that I'm paying for a service I'm not likely to use until I am 65+. All I'm saying is business and medicine are not good bedfellows. Money has such an inpersonal bedside manner.

There is a large demographic in the US who need healthcare and are uninsured. Do you just wash your hands of these people and say 'they had ample opportunity to earn and get insurance'. That's real christian of you. Sometimes people fall between the cracks.

The NHS is not perfect and many choose private healthcare and so pay for a service they don't use but I am very proud of the health system here in the UK. There is a difference between socialism and social justice.
 
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