My First Time

whateverdude_09

Registered Member
#1
Okay...kinda lured you in with the title...But i'm working on building my own computer...what are some suggestions and advice that you could give to this greenhorn. I want to know what things mean...so if you find yourself putting down abbreviations please tell me what they are.

thank you
 

teron

Registered Member
#2
Wow, there's a bit to go over then Just "A+B=C"

Physically putting the rig together (depending on what you purchase) is often the easiest part.

Picking the right hardware, and then all the software installation is the kicker.

Lets start small - whats your budget look like?
 

dDave

Guardian of the Light
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#3
Alright I'll give this a shot, I build my own so I know what I'm talking about. I don't know what your budget is so bear with me.

For starters I'd make sure that you have a sufficient case that has a lot of built in spots for fans and maybe even a side fan (to keep your computer running nice and cool as well as easily upgradeable without having to worry about heat issues.)

Video card - I'd get either an nVidia or ATI card but nVidia is my personal favorite you definitely want 256mb GDDR3 but 512 or higher is recommended if you want any kind of nice gaming rig. Get a PCI-Express video card

RAM - I would never recommend buying anything other than PNY RAM and since DDR3 has just recently released I would recommend buying PNY DDR3 RAM.

Processor (also called CPU) - I have a few recommendations so you pick.
Intel Core 2 Duo (dual core)
Intel Core 2 Quad (quad core)
AMD Phenom 64 X 4 (quad core)

You'd be happy with any of those, I would never buy any processor worse than those, you might even look into the Intel Xeon and other octo core processors if you're really serious.

Motherboard - There are a few things that your motherboard must support and here they are.


Hard Drive - I would simply recommend getting anything that is a SATA hard drive from Western Digital or Maxtor, I've been very happy with either company myself.
Video - PCI-Express
RAM - DDR3 (the motherboard should probably support at least 8GB of RAM but don't worry you don't need to fill up the full capacity you'll be fine putting probably 3 or 4 GB in there for now)
Hard Drive - SATA hard drives


Operating System - I would not ever recommend ever buying windows Vista so please don't. Your best bet is to get 64 bit windows XP (64 bit keep that in mind) and wait until Windows 7 comes out, Vista was a horrible failure so don't get that.

http://www.generalforum.com/basic-c...ech-class-session-1-parts-computer-44109.html

There's a thread I made a while back, it will definitely come in handy if this is your first time doing this.

If you need any more help feel free to ask there are several members here who have an extensive knowledge of PC building.
 

whateverdude_09

Registered Member
#4
Wow, there's a bit to go over then Just "A+B=C"

Physically putting the rig together (depending on what you purchase) is often the easiest part.

Picking the right hardware, and then all the software installation is the kicker.

Lets start small - whats your budget look like?
i have yet to create a budget...for i am a broke teenager and am going into the military in the summer...so a future military budget...
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Video card - I'd get either an nVidia or ATI card but nVidia is my personal favorite you definitely want 256mb GDDR3 but 512 or higher is recommended if you want any kind of nice gaming rig. Get a PCI-Express video card

RAM - I would never recommend buying anything other than PNY RAM and since DDR3 has just recently released I would recommend buying PNY DDR3 RAM.

I have heard good things about DDR3. so i'll remember that

Processor (also called CPU) - I have a few recommendations so you pick.
Intel Core 2 Duo (dual core)
Intel Core 2 Quad (quad core)
AMD Phenom 64 X 4 (quad core)

i have also heard very good things about the AMD Phenom, but it is expensive...but not the most expensive thing i've seen.

You'd be happy with any of those, I would never buy any processor worse than those, you might even look into the Intel Xeon and other octo core processors if you're really serious.

Octo core...I'll have to investigate...sounds pretty.

Motherboard - There are a few things that your motherboard must support and here they are.

I need mostly Compatibility and lots of space to upgrade.

Hard Drive - I would simply recommend getting anything that is a SATA hard drive from Western Digital or Maxtor, I've been very happy with either company myself.
Video - PCI-Express
RAM - DDR3 (the motherboard should probably support at least 8GB of RAM but don't worry you don't need to fill up the full capacity you'll be fine putting probably 3 or 4 GB in there for now)
Hard Drive - SATA hard drives


Operating System - I would not ever recommend ever buying windows Vista so please don't. Your best bet is to get 64 bit windows XP (64 bit keep that in mind) and wait until Windows 7 comes out, Vista was a horrible failure so don't get that.

http://www.generalforum.com/basic-c...ech-class-session-1-parts-computer-44109.html

There's a thread I made a while back, it will definitely come in handy if this is your first time doing this.

If you need any more help feel free to ask there are several members here who have an extensive knowledge of PC building.
what exactly is a bit and why do i need 64 of them?
 
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Bananas

Endangered Species
#5
whateverdude_09; said:
what exactly is a bit and why do i need 64 of them?
You dont really need to know other than the basics to build a computer.

A bit is a binary digit(either a 0 or a 1). It is what a computer reads to understand and process tasks. An 8bit machine will be able to read 8bit commands ie; 01100101, meanwhile a 32bit system will be able to read 32bit strings ie; 01100101 10110011 01100101 10110011.

Obviously the more bits a computer can understand the better as more information can be crammed into a string, however this does come at a price, it is quicker to read just 8bits than it takes to read 32bits and so on. So the more bits you have is not always better. Personally I cant see any need at the moment for more than 32bits. The main problem with 64bit is it does not have the support needed and there are a shed load of compatability issues. I cant see this changing anytime soon as we really dont need that many bits. Think of it like wheels on a car, four is sufficent for the task in hand, adding extra wheels does little benefit.


I wrote this up for another member, it may be of use to you;
Bananas; said:
Processor: The heart of the PC.

You should idealy be looking at the highend Dual-core or lower end of the Quad-core. Whichyou want will depend on the computers use. A Games machine I would go for a dual-core whilst a multitasking software machine I would use a Quad. Look for something with at least 2.4Ghz per core in both scenarios.

SHOW SPOILER!2 x 3ghz cores will outperform 4 x 2.4ghz cores

whilst 4 x 2.4ghz cores can effectivly perform better when doing more jobs at once.

Simlpe Analogy terms; YOu need to get your family from point A to B as quickly as possible. You can either take the 2 Italian sportscars or the 4 Japanese roadsters.

If there are less than 4 people in your family the Italian sports is quicker, if there are more than 4 or 4 fat pepole then the Japanese roadster will be quicker as there are a greater number of seats and the payload can be distrubutted.






Intel or AMD are the big two and it is a split community and the loyalists will argue all day which is better. Have a look at reviews and decide for yourself.

Once you have decided on the processor you will need to know what socket it is. It will most likely be a 775 or an AM2 depending on the brand. Armed with this knowledge we can move onto:




Motherboard: The backbone of your system.

First we must make sure the processor is compatible by checking the socket(see above).

I would not go too over board on the motherboard, just get what is required. What you will need to consider is the

* Chipset(Intels) - little choice here, P45 is the most common.
* Memory - How many slots does it have? what is compatible? and what is the maximum? Bascially you want big numbers here. Although realistically you will not need more than 4GB DDR2.
* Expansion Slots - How much stuff you can plug into it! Lots of PCI-E and Sata slots = Good.




Memory: The brains behind the operation

What will work will depend on the motherboard. DDR2 is common, DDR3 is still expensive (but it maybe worth getting a motherboard that can handle them for future upgrades). THe FSB speed will also depend on the motherboard but generally bigger numbers = better.




Graphics Card: The optical nerve

This is what you play games on and fortunatly it has outdeveloped the gaming market so unless you go very cheap it should be able to handle most tasks, still its not worth cutting the price to much.

You basically have ATI or Nvidia, people swear by both. Look at reviews and decide for yourself. With the Nvidia series it will have a 4digit munber the first digit is the series and the next digit is the class. This will mean an 8800 is better than a 9200. Do not be overly fooled by all the letters, a GTX will be better then just a GT but by how much and does it justify the price difference (comparison sights like Tomshardware come in handy here).

The Gfx will also have inbuilt memory. Big numbers are better although anything over DDR2 512mb is sufficient.



Power Food for the system

Not much to say here. I would not get anything under 600w. Preferably with a nice big fan on it and of a reputable brand. You pay for what you get.

Cooling:
The perspitary system

Something to keep all the bits cool. I would not bother with water cooling, it is little more than showing off.

You will need;

* Case Fan. Something to draw air into the case, cheap and cheerful they are all the same.
* CPU Fan. A more complex fan that will cool the processer directly.

A Case:

You will need somewhere to stick all of this stuff. Make sure it will fit in its desired location other than that most sizes are standard. Personaly I would prefer to spend the money on better graphics than a pretty case.

Other:


DVD drives, hard-drives, extra USB drives, Firewire ports, Card readers. Sound cards*.....there are a host of other stuff you may want, it depends what you need. Best thing to do though is make sure you have lots of sata and PCI-E slots on your motherboard and only buy compatible to them. Most of the stuff you buy will have cables but its always worth buying 1 or 2 sata cables just in case.

*Most motherboards have onboard sound hence it being optional.

I dont think I have forgotten anything.:confused:
 

whateverdude_09

Registered Member
#6
Personally I cant see any need at the moment for more than 32bits. The main problem with 64bit is it does not have the support needed and there are a shed load of compatability issues. I cant see this changing anytime soon as we really dont need that many bits. Think of it like wheels on a car, four is sufficent for the task in hand, adding extra wheels does little benefit.
But 32bit does not handle more than 3gb of RAM very well from what I've read. All of the sources (which just might be trying to sell me stuff) have said 64 bit is better on a gaming rig.
 

Bananas

Endangered Species
#7
But 32bit does not handle more than 3gb of RAM very well from what I've read. All of the sources (which just might be trying to sell me stuff) have said 64 bit is better on a gaming rig.
It wont make any difference to a gaming rig. The majority of games(everything except crysis) are made for 32bit architecture. You will not see any difference between 64bit and 32bit machines when it comes to games.

How much RAM do you really need? If you are using a Quad-core that is crunching through RAM using a high render preset application then more is better obviously ....... but a computer game does not do this. Developers know that the majority of users are restricted to less than 2gb on 32bit(x86) architecture so they tailor the games for them. 64bit capabilities have been around for a few years now and other than Vista's failings and RAM becoming affordable it has not taken off other than consumers thinking more is better....note consumers....because developers dont touch it, until that investment is made then 32bit will always be the target audience. On that note the purpose built gaming consoles; the PS3, Xbox360 are 32bit, seeing as most game developers will endeavor to be cross-platform dont expect the 64bit leap to happen in the next 5 years, not before the eighth generation begins to manifest itself at least.


The big question is; do you go for 64bit because you can or because it is of benefit?

If you are buildng a gaming rig, 4gb RAM on a 32bit system is sufficent, use the money saved and put it towards the quality of RAM, the CPU and graphics card....then you will realy see a difference!
 

teron

Registered Member
#8
Video card - I'd get either an nVidia or ATI card but nVidia is my personal favorite you definitely want 256mb GDDR3 but 512 or higher is recommended if you want any kind of nice gaming rig. Get a PCI-Express video card

Right, so, what your saying is that Vram is everything? So a 512 8600 should be sufficient :confused:

RAM - I would never recommend buying anything other than PNY RAM and since DDR3 has just recently released I would recommend buying PNY DDR3 RAM.

PNY sucks for anything other than your typical user, I've had 3 sticks go bad on me in under 4 months. But hey, its your rig.

even look into the Intel Xeon and other octo core processors if you're really serious.
A Xeon? Are you effin kidding man? Do you have any idea what environment those are even produced for?

Hard Drive - I would simply recommend getting anything that is a SATA hard drive from Western Digital or Maxtor
Maxtor is complete crap and so is Western Digital unless your buying a raptor.

Samsung and Seagate are all I buy (unless its a Raptor) and its all I recommend to my customers.

Video - PCI-Express
Wow, really? I'm not even sure if AGP or PCI-E 1.0 boards are being mass produced any more.

RAM - DDR3 (the motherboard should probably support at least 8GB of RAM but don't worry you don't need to fill up the full capacity you'll be fine putting probably 3 or 4 GB in there for now)
If he's on a budget, DDR2 is just fine - besides, less worries (I could give you DDR3 nightmares)



Operating System - I would not ever recommend ever buying windows Vista so please don't. Your best bet is to get 64 bit windows XP (64 bit keep that in mind) and wait until Windows 7 comes out, Vista was a horrible failure so don't get that.
Really? an OS that is losing ground and support by the hour.. (XP64) if he doesn't want to use any DirectX10 features or if he doesnt require some of the little trinkets from Vista, XP Pro will suit him just fine. Hell I"ll send him a copy if he wants it. I have Vista Ultimate, and aside from some early rendering issues its working just fine now. Not sure where your going with this.


A 32bit OS can't address more than 3.25GB of physical RAM - 4GB is nice, cheap and good for the future, but 2GB is more than sufficient on a budget. Speaking of Budget, I went to newegg and threw together a quick list for a "Future Military" style. Keep in mind its just the rig itself and no other asscessories. I came up with 752.91 + Shipping. Bump off $35 dollars because of Mail in Rebates (on top of
a few items having free shipping) and thats easily around $750 - toss in a monitor, keyboard/mouse/speakers and it could be about $1k total.

I'll PM you the list I came up with and if you have questions let me know.