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Is the Cruz campaign dirty?

Major

4 legs good 2 legs bad
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Prior to the Iowa Caucus, Ted Cruz's campaign sent out "Voting Violation" mailers to eligible voters, essentially trying to shame them into caucusing in order to increase turnout.



To me, it's very manipulative and dishonest. Seeing as how people have a right not to vote, it's not a violation to exercise that right.

Next, the Cruz campaign made calls to Iowa voters on the night of the Caucus to inaccurately inform them that Ben Carson was suspending his campaign, and that they should vote for Cruz instead. Cruz then blamed this mistake on CNN. However, CNN had never reported that Carson was suspending his campaign.

Ted Cruz said:
Let me tell you the facts of what occurred for those who are interested in knowing. On Monday night, about 6:30 p.m., CNN reported that Ben was not going from Iowa to New Hampshire or South Carolina. Rather, he was, quote, “Taking a break from campaigning.”

They reported that on television, CNN’s political anchors, Jake Tapper and Dana Bash and Wolf Blitzer, said it was highly unusual and highly significant. My political team saw CNN’s report breaking news and they forwarded that news to our volunteers, it was being covered on live television.

Now, at the time, I was at the caucuses, I was getting ready to speak at the caucuses just like Ben was, just like everyone else was. I knew nothing about this. A couple hours later, I found out about it. I was told that Ben was unhappy. I called him that evening because I respect him very, very highly. I didn’t reach him that evening.

I reached him the next day and apologized. He asked me then, he said, Ted, would you make this apologize in public? I said, yes, I will. And I did so. I regret that subsequently, CNN reported on that — they didn’t correct that story until 9:15 that night. So from 6:30 p.m. to 9:15, that’s what CNN was reporting.

Subsequent to that initial report, Ben’s campaign put out a statement saying that he was not suspending his campaign. I wish that our campaign staff had forwarded that statement. They were unaware of it, I wish that they had, that’s why I apologized.
factcheck.org said:
No one on CNN — Moody, Bash, Tapper or Blitzer — said Carson was suspending his campaign.

In fact, Moody almost immediately tweeted that Carson’s campaign would continue. The tweet — which was also stamped at 7:43 ET (6:43 CT), the same time as his first tweet — said, “Ben Carson’s campaign tells me he plans to stay in the race beyond Iowa no matter what the results are tonight.”

Also, Jason Osborne — a senior strategist for Carson — tweeted from Clive, Iowa, that Carson was “not standing down.” He tweeted that Carson “will be going to Florida to get fresh clothes b4 heading back out on the campaign trail.”

So, Cruz’s claim that CNN “didn’t correct that story until 9:15 that night” is wrong: CNN didn’t have to “correct” the story because it didn’t get it wrong, and the information that Carson would continue to campaign beyond Iowa was reported by CNN and confirmed by Carson’s top strategist long before 9:15 p.m.

CNN spokesman Matt Dornic issued a statement on Cruz’s debate claim that read, “What senator Cruz said tonight in the debate is categorically false. CNN never corrected its reporting because CNN never had anything to correct. The Cruz campaign’s actions the night of the Iowa caucuses had nothing to do with CNN’s reporting. The fact that Senator Cruz continues to knowingly mislead the voters about this is astonishing.”
FactChecking the Eighth GOP Debate
 

Doc

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It's unfair practices for sure. He knowingly used a deceptive tactic in the best and worse case scenarios.

Best case: It was a light-hearted jab at low voter turnout. It still is an attempt to shame people into voting.

Worst case: He knowingly tried to deceive people into thinking that not voting was some kind of actual violation. That makes the people feel like they have to vote when they aren't legally required.

Either way it's a deceptive way to try to get people to vote more.
 

Hilander

Free Spirit
Staff member
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Yes Cruz's campaign used dirty tactics to win. Both the voting violation mailer and telling everyone that Carson dropped out and they should vote for him was bad enough but to blame it on CNN was even worse. I hope the Iowans that did vote for him are feeling like fools right now for doing so. I don't trust him.

Considering they used a app provided for free by Microsoft to count the votes failed in a few precincts I have to wonder if the votes were counted accurately too.
 

Hilander

Free Spirit
Staff member
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I don't know if this has anything to do with the Cruz mailers but its definitely weird.

Some voters in New Hampshire opened their mailboxes today to find an envelope stamped in red with "important taxpayer information enclosed." Inside was a letter featuring an official-looking seal that listed not only the recipients' voting records, but those of their neighbors.
Someone is trying to freak out New Hampshire's undecided voters
 

Major

4 legs good 2 legs bad
V.I.P.
Yes Cruz's campaign used dirty tactics to win. Both the voting violation mailer and telling everyone that Carson dropped out and they should vote for him was bad enough but to blame it on CNN was even worse. I hope the Iowans that did vote for him are feeling like fools right now for doing so. I don't trust him.

Considering they used a app provided for free by Microsoft to count the votes failed in a few precincts I have to wonder if the votes were counted accurately too.
For sure. Trump may be a whiner, but I almost don't blame him for disputing the Iowa Caucus results and asking for a do-over.

I don't know if this has anything to do with the Cruz mailers but its definitely weird.

Someone is trying to freak out New Hampshire's undecided voters
Those are eerily similar to the mailers Cruz sent out in Iowa. His campaign denied sending out these NH ones. Whoever did it, I'd like to see these kinds of tactics put to a stop.
 

Hilander

Free Spirit
Staff member
V.I.P.
For sure. Trump may be a whiner, but I almost don't blame him for disputing the Iowa Caucus results and asking for a do-over.


Those are eerily similar to the mailers Cruz sent out in Iowa. His campaign denied sending out these NH ones. Whoever did it, I'd like to see these kinds of tactics put to a stop.
I don't blame Trump at all for saying something about it, someone needed to and he was just the man to do it.
 

Babe_Ruth

Sultan of Swat
Staff member
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Hopefully it’s nothing like the girl on girl stuff that God REALLY hates. ;)
 

NewGamePlus

Registered Member
Is there any chance this election will NOT come down to a choice between a Douche, Turd Sandwich, and a Douchy Poop Wrapped in a Sandwich Bread?

If I have to chose between Hilary, Trump, and Cruz, I'm going back to not voting. It seems like everyone I hear about, I don't like already and have found a clear dealbreaker. Trump is the most obvious no, simply because he isn't human enough or trustworthy with his type. Cruz has that stupid voter thing he did. And I don't trust anyone who was the victim of what Bill did to run anything because it seems like she'd be out to get somebody for it.

So........ 3 up, 3 down. Already.
 
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