is Christianity a religion?

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raddmadd

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nope. check it:

Genesis 4:2-4
2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. 3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. 4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

that above, shows that its not. did you recieve the message?
 
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Jungle Jim

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raddmadd said:
nope. check it:

Genesis 4:2-4
2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. 3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. 4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

that above, shows that its not. did you recieve the message?
Come on, at least warrant your claims or something. Plus, Christianity is a religion, because by definition a religion is "a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects", CHECK IT. That means that a religion doesnt necessarily have to be 'true', just a belief that a large number of people agree on.

Watch your tone. Flaming is not allowed in MD.-Kaz
 

raddmadd

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a religion is someones own way of reaching God. such as buddhism, someone tries to reach God, but since they are using their own ways of finding Him, they end up finding a false one. buddhism is a religion. sometimes people will find the true God. but they will mix religion in with it. such as Cain did. was Abel being religious? no. he was doing what God says. so if you do what God says, then its not a religion. how do we become Christian? we do what God says to become Christian, its impossible to become born again in a religious way, you can mix religion with it, yes. but you don't become born again by your own tradition. you become born again because of what Jesus did. so therefore Christianity isn't a religion.
 

Kazmarov

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Many faiths involve finding their own God, or reality, which in no way leads to a false God, or reality.

Again, the Bible is like every other holy text, and thus what is passed down cannot be somehow unique and distinguishable from other faiths.
 

raddmadd

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Kazmarov said:
Many faiths involve finding their own God, or reality, which in no way leads to a false God, or reality.
so your saying theres no god?

Again, the Bible is like every other holy text, and thus what is passed down cannot be somehow unique and distinguishable from other faiths.
if it was, then it wouldn't be called holy. other faiths? are they really "faiths?"
 
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Jungle Jim

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raddmadd said:
a religion is someones own way of reaching God. such as buddhism, someone tries to reach God,
You make the assumption that a religion defines or god or that a religion worships god instead of other things (animals, the sun, earth, etc). Your use of generalites effectivly undermines and sets back all religions that don't focus around a god. You probably should apologize. Also, this flaw in your defintion of religion once again proves my point, that a religion doesn't have to be true or not, just has to be believed in by a group of follwers.

Buddhism is a religion. sometimes people will find the true God.
Now you make the assumption that Buddist worship God with a capital G, the Almighty, father of Jesus, and the main man in Christian, Jewish, and Islamic faiths. Buddhist actually follow the teachings of Gutama Budda, a man who claimed to be truly enlightened. In Buddhism, there is no one god, they worship the teachings and the Budda's. There is not one Budda. Anyone who is enlightened is a Budda.

was Abel being religious? no. he was doing what God says.
No where in that passage does it say God told Abel what to offer, Abel offered him what he had. "Check it."

so if you do what God says, then its not a religion.
God sent the Ten Commandments, foundation of the Bible and Jesus' teaching. So following the Ten Commadments isnt religious? Also remember the flaw in your definition of what is and is not a religion, if you believe that God wants you to follow the Ten Commadments, and so does a group of people, then it is a religion.

how do we become Christian? we do what God says to become Christian, its impossible to become born again in a religious way, you can mix religion with it, yes. but you don't become born again by your own tradition. you become born again because of what Jesus did. so therefore Christianity isn't a religion.
New testament, God says to believe in Jesus and follow his teaching to become saved/make it to heaven. Check it.

Lastly, you never even refute any of my previous arguments or even acknowlegede them...which isnt a very good way to go about proving your point.
 

Kazmarov

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so your saying theres no god?
No, that there is no true or right God, and that the faiths are in no way superior to one another. There may be one, but it can be reached and interpreted in different ways.

Faith-a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny
It's a belief. Religions and faiths are mutually similar in many ways. If you believe that Christianity is not a religion and that others are, that's a belief. That is your faith in things.
 

raddmadd

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Jungle Jim said:
You make the assumption that a religion defines or god or that a religion worships god instead of other things (animals, the sun, earth, etc). Your use of generalites effectivly undermines and sets back all religions that don't focus around a god. You probably should apologize. Also, this flaw in your defintion of religion once again proves my point, that a religion doesn't have to be true or not, just has to be believed in by a group of follwers.
-your not understanding it. read it again. religion is peoples own effort to reach the true God. since they are going on their own ways of reaching Him, they end up finding false gods, such as buddha. etc. an atheists god would be a nebula etc. right?




---Now you make the assumption that Buddist worship God with a capital G, the Almighty, father of Jesus, and the main man in Christian, Jewish, and Islamic faiths. Buddhist actually follow the teachings of Gutama Budda, a man who claimed to be truly enlightened. In Buddhism, there is no one god, they worship the teachings and the Budda's. There is not one Budda. Anyone who is enlightened is a Budda.

-i made no assumption like that.


---No where in that passage does it say God told Abel what to offer, Abel offered him what he had. "Check it."

-ugh, lol. i don't feel like explaining it. (im trying ot talk on aim etc.) scripture implies, its all throughout the bible that a blood sacrifice is needed.


---God sent the Ten Commandments, foundation of the Bible and Jesus' teaching. So following the Ten Commadments isnt religious? Also remember the flaw in your definition of what is and is not a religion, if you believe that God wants you to follow the Ten Commadments, and so does a group of people, then it is a religion.

-no its not religous, how are you saying it is according to my definition of it?

Kazmarov said:
No, that there is no true or right God, and that the faiths are in no way superior to one another. There may be one, but it can be reached and interpreted in different ways.



It's a belief. Religions and faiths are mutually similar in many ways. If you believe that Christianity is not a religion and that others are, that's a belief. That is your faith in things.
so...how come Christianity teaches that there is one God, and one God only? so your saying if im Christian, in a way im reaching a certain god? doesn't make sense.
 

scitsofreaky

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raddmadd said:
a religion is someones own way of reaching God.
Do you have a source for this definition, or did you just make one up to suite your needs? I ask because I have never seen that definition anywhere ever.
What exactly are your motives for starting this thread? Are you trying to discredit Christianity? If so, this isn't a very good tactic since most Christians claim that it isn't a religion.
Are you trying to make buddhism seem better because it is a True Religion while Christianity is not? If buddhism is so great, then it should be able to prove it is by what it teaches, not by attempting to make others look bad.
 

Kazmarov

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so...how come Christianity teaches that there is one God, and one God only?
That's their interpretation of the supernatural. Other faiths follow suit, but they're not incorrect in what they do, even though they approach it in radically different methods.

so your saying if im Christian, in a way im reaching a certain god? doesn't make sense.
It's a way to reaching what the scriptures and your interpretation of them perceive as God. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam worship the same God in essence, but they are perceived as different because of how the texts, commentary, and teachings affect them.
 
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