Iraq War Super Spin-off Thread!

Gavik

Registered Member
#1
*Note: Since the 9/11 topic basiclly turned into a debate on the means, ethics, motives and other hippie stuff about the Iraq War, this topic's been created so that the Iraq War can be more thouroghly discussed without hijacking the 9/11 thread. It gets really heavily into the Iraq War stuff on page 4ish.

Last Iraq Post:
Depleted uranium!? You mean uranium that's that the radioactive isotopes removed, and thus provides less exposure to radiation than the sun? Even Gulf War veterans who are carrying depleted uranium fragments inside of them don't receive the maximum allowable radiation dose.
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Depleted uranium!? You mean uranium that's that the radioactive isotopes removed, and thus provides less exposure to radiation than the sun? Even Gulf War veterans who are carrying depleted uranium fragments inside of them don't receive the maximum allowable radiation dose.
That's true, but we didn't drop a radioactive bullet fragment and leave.

DU Weapons Analysis

analysis said:
Even though there are very few government reports that suggest that DU contains harmful side effects, there is overwhelming circumstantial evidence that clearly points out that DU and DU ammo causes extensive radiological, environmental, chemical, and biological effects. DU ammo can easily be shown to cause severe environmental damage.
analysis said:
Some regions in Bosnia and especially Kosovo (a region that NATO HEAVILY bombed for 3 months) are so contaminated with DU that the soil there is permanently destroyed. NATO soldiers are constantly told not to eat local foods or drink from local water supplies (since ingestion of DU dust is very common by eating foods or drinking water contaminated with DU dust).
analysis said:
If we allow the widespread promotion of DU ammo, then the consequences of that could be devastating. Eventually everyone might have it! Russia and China could become mass producers and distributors of DU weapons (even though Russia currently claims that their armed forces are not using DU ammo20, it is still a possibility). Terrorists will have it as well. By having a few countries use DU weapons now will only provoke an arms race that will emphasize that a modern military needs DU ammo for its weapons! Remember, DU ammo can penetrate DU armor! When every major country eventually equips their military with DU ammo, then the benefit of only you having DU on the battlefield is eliminated! You are hence fighting the same battle fought before, just at greater distances. You are back to the previous scenario. And let’s not forget the contamination that will result from this. With this decision we will continue to violate the rights of our soldiers, society, and future generations. DU will persist to inflict collateral damage on all societies throughout the world. Hence the common good out of this situation is absolutely nothing! Certain government armies will get more power for a brief moment, only until all modern armies are equipped with DU ammunition.
Yea, it's so safe we should make baby cribs out of it!

Don't limit the posts to the beat of the 9/11 discussion or DU, just talk about the war in general.[/FONT]
 

CMK_Eagle

Registered Member
#2
I guess Canada must be a part of the conspiracy, too...

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According to the article the radiation dose of a person living on land contaminated with depleted uranium at 1 ton per square kilometer would receive an additional radiation dose of 1 mrem per year. As a point of comparison, the average person receives 25 mrem per year from naturally occuring radioactive potassium and 7 mrem per year from cooking with natural gas.

Radiation just isn't a significant danger from depleted uranium. The only danger it could possibly pose would be toxilogical, and there you're probably better off worrying about the exposure to mercury and lead from primer charges.
 

Gavik

Registered Member
#3
from my link said:
This translates to nearly 650,000 pounds of actual DU deposited on Iraqi soil!14f That’s a lot of nuclear waste!
And I'd bet that a fair amount of that hit civilian areas.

from my link said:
For example, numerous anti-tank rounds were fired in Ethan Allen Firing Range (a US based testing site for DU weapons). The soil surrounding the site was so contaminated wih radiation and toxin from DU that 4 inches of topsoil, over a few mile radius, was scooped up and later stored away as nuclear waste.
The soil was deemed nuclear waste. You know it's bad when it gets to that point.
 

CMK_Eagle

Registered Member
#4
And I'd bet that a fair amount of that hit civilian areas.
Probably did, but unless the US has been fighting on less than 325 square kilometers the radiation dose will be less than 1 mrem, and therefore far from anything dangerous. Even if every depleted uranium munition had been used in Baghdad (204 square kilometers), the radiation dose would be just 1.6 mrem per year, again far below any sort of dangerous level.