Iraq War and who pays the highest price...

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Flyhigher

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We know that soldiers from rural America are dying at higher rates than those from urban America, strikingly higher... The latest figures have it at 60 percent higher...

The dearth of opportunity in rural areas leads a lot of young people to the military...
 

tipsycatlover

Registered Member
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Rural America has traditionally been more patriotic than urban America. You are more likely to find loyalty in rural America whether to family, God or country.
 

Kazmarov

For a Free Scotland
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Rural America has traditionally been more patriotic than urban America. You are more likely to find loyalty in rural America whether to family, God or country.
I would love to see you prove that.

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Dramatic demographic and socioeconomic shifts have occurred in rural areas over the last decade, increasing poverty among America's rural population. Analysis of the Census Bureau's Current Population Survey indicates that outmigration from rural areas, which has grown steadily since 1980, reached almost 1,000,000 between 1986 to 1987. Those leaving in the largest numbers were young adults and the better educated, people most needed to revitalize rural economies. Between 1979 and 1986, real median family income fell by 10% in rural areas and less than 1% in urban areas. In 1986 rural unemployment exceeded urban unemployment by 26%, and the rural poverty rate was 18%, 50% higher than the urban rate. Hardest hit have been young adults and their children; a quarter of rural children were living in poverty in 1986. About 62% of poor rural adults and 54% of poor urban adults, aged 18 to 44, held a job at least part of 1986. Most of the rural poor did not receive cash assistance or food stamps, did not live in public housing, and were not eligible for Medicaid. About 80% of young rural adults had finished high school, and 13% had graduated from college, compared to 85% and 23% for young urban adults. However, rural/urban differences in educational attainment and the quality of educational systems do not explain differences in poverty rates. Some problems faced by young rural adult workers stem from changing demographics and the growth of low paying jobs in rural areas. Many observers feel that the problem of rural poverty requires federal intervention, such as tax relief, welfare reform, or new economic development strategies. (S
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPorta...Search_SearchType_0=eric_accno&accno=ED302350

High poverty and unemployment=disproportionate representation in the armed forces. Very, very simple correlation, as opposed to the ludicrous proposition of Tipsy. They both work, but one is based on fact...the other is not.
 
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Flyhigher

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I would love to see you prove that.

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http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPorta...Search_SearchType_0=eric_accno&accno=ED302350

High poverty and unemployment=disproportionate representation in the armed forces. Very, very simple correlation, as opposed to the ludicrous proposition of Tipsy. They both work, but one is based on fact...the other is not.


I do agree that rural area youth often join the military due to boredom... This is a fact, and I don't think this is the best case scenario for our new soldiers...
 

Kazmarov

For a Free Scotland
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I never said boredom. It's out of necessity if you want funding for education or simply to not be in poverty.
 

tipsycatlover

Registered Member
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There are facts, then there are conclusions drawn from facts. You stated a number of facts from which you draw your own conclusions. Then present that conclusion as a fact of its own. It sounds like, "It's obvious! Everyone knows it." Not so. When those rubes get to speak, hardly ever do they say it's for the money. They are raised to feel a sense of duty, something urban youth does not get. Boys in rural America are more likely to join the military because that's what their Dad did. They join the Navy if Dad was a Sailor and the Army if Dad was a soldier. Contrasted with urban young men who have a high probability of not knowing who their father is.
 

Corona

Registered Member
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There are facts, then there are conclusions drawn from facts. You stated a number of facts from which you draw your own conclusions. Then present that conclusion as a fact of its own. It sounds like, "It's obvious! Everyone knows it." Not so. When those rubes get to speak, hardly ever do they say it's for the money. They are raised to feel a sense of duty, something urban youth does not get. Boys in rural America are more likely to join the military because that's what their Dad did. They join the Navy if Dad was a Sailor and the Army if Dad was a soldier. Contrasted with urban young men who have a high probability of not knowing who their father is.
There are facts, there are conclusions drawn from facts, and then there are unproved statements.


This is the latter.
 

tipsycatlover

Registered Member
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My mistake, it's having the girlfriends on welfare that make the big bucks so guys don't have to join the military to get an education and work. Perhaps a trip through rural America should be in your future before you make your final decision.
 
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joshua41

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I would love to see you prove that.

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http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPorta...Search_SearchType_0=eric_accno&accno=ED302350

High poverty and unemployment=disproportionate representation in the armed forces. Very, very simple correlation, as opposed to the ludicrous proposition of Tipsy. They both work, but one is based on fact...the other is not.
Your explanation is probably true, but have you considered that if these people didn't want to join the army they could move to a city to find a better paying job? Leaving the rural area is just as big of a change as joining an army. Therefore, if they weren't interested in joining the army in such high numbers they could just move to the city.

In this sense, drawing the conclusion that rural america is less patriotic than you previously considered is flawed. If anything, looking at it from this angle makes it true that rural america is more patriotic than urban america. I don't think it's decline is necessarily relevant to enrollment in the armed forces. I mean- you can draw that conclusion but I don't see why you can't consider what I just explained to be just as valid.