Heaven or Hell

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by Ramman, Apr 16, 2010.

  1. Ramman

    Ramman Registered Member

    Which is more important ?

    Dont laugh.

    Isnt it obvious that today many people just assume that when they die its straight to Heaven for them?

    Scripture

    Matt. 3:12; Luke 3:17 - John the Baptist said the Lord will burn the chaff with unquenchable fire. This unquenchable fire is the state of eternal separation from God, which the Church has called "hell" for 2,000 years. Some Protestant communities no longer acknowledge the reality of hell.

    Matt. 25:41 - Jesus says, "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
    Matt. 25:46 - Jesus says, "they will go away into eternal punishment" which is in reference to this eternal fire.
    Mark 9:47-48 - Jesus refers to hell as where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched. It lasts forever.
    2 Thess. 1:6-9 - the angels will come with flaming fire and the disobedient will suffer punishment of eternal destruction. It is important to note that "destruction" does not mean "annihilation," as some Protestant denominations teach. It means eternal exclusion from the presence of God.
    Jude 6-7 - the rebelling angels, and Sodom and Gomorrah, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
    Rev. 14:11 - the worshipers of the beast suffer and the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever.
    Rev. 20:10 - they're tormented in the lake of fire and brimstone day and night forever and ever.
    Isaiah 33:14 - "Who of us can dwell in the everlasting fire?" This is a reference to hell which is forever.
    Isaiah 66:24 - their worm shall not die and their fire shall not be quenched. We cannot fathom the pain of this eternal separation from God.
    Jer. 15:14 - in my anger a fire is kindled which shall burn forever. Hell is the proper compliment to the eternal bliss of heaven. Judith 16:17 - in the day of judgment the Lord will take vengeance on the wicked and they shall weep in pain forever. Hell is a place that sinners have prepared for themselves by rejecting God, who desires all people to be saved in His Son Jesus Christ. God sends no one to hell.

    Is Scripture Wrong? And Why?
     

  2. EllyDicious

    EllyDicious made of AMBIGUITY V.I.P. Lifetime

    The question is : Do Heaven and Hell really exist? Do we believe in them?
    No.

    I never thought I could go to Heaven, neither did I think I could go to Hell.
     
  3. Ramman

    Ramman Registered Member

    Ram: So when someone dies you have never heard the statement - "They're in a better place" You have never heard that one time?
     
  4. Mirage

    Mirage Administrator Staff Member V.I.P.

    To be fair, those are two entirely different questions independent of each other.

    If I don't believe that Wal*Mart exists, I would be wrong, for example. It still exists regardless of my lack of belief for it.

    Belief doesn't determine reality.
     
  5. EllyDicious

    EllyDicious made of AMBIGUITY V.I.P. Lifetime

    So you're comparing something that exists in our world to something you've never ever tried/seen/felt and literally know nothing about!

    Whether you believe it or not, WalMart exists.
    Whether you believe it or not, we don't really know if Heaven/Hell actually exist.

    How can I say something is more important that another when I know nothing about any of them.
     
  6. JessEpiphany

    JessEpiphany Registered Member

    I personally don't believe in either so I can't really say.
    From a Christian perspective though, wouldn't it make more sense that Christians would think/talk about heaven more than hell? Philippians 4:8
     

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