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Discuss Guns on cruise ships?

dDave

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I watched Captain Philips tonight so this subject is in the front of my mind.

It's my understanding that firearms are not allowed on cruise ships. Now, I understand why they may not want civilians carrying firearms on a ship but even security personnel don't carry guns? It just seems like madness to me. Why no guns? A gun simply isn't dangerous in the hands of a trained professional and actually helps to make the ship safer from any kind of threat. Some cruise liners have security guards carrying tase guns and sonic guns but they're simply not the same.

Why would you not want security carrying firearms?
 

Hilander

Free Spirit
Staff member
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I think these ships should have some protection from pirates. The pirates have guns and security personnel should also. They don't because of international law. Not sure what the law says but that is why its not allowed.

I've seen Captain Phillips, great movie. One thing I thought they could have done different is not have ladders on the side of the ship for them to climb up. Possibly have a way to shock anyone on the ladder if they must have them.
 

dDave

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I think these ships should have some protection from pirates. The pirates have guns and security personnel should also. They don't because of international law. Not sure what the law says but that is why its not allowed.

I've seen Captain Phillips, great movie. One thing I thought they could have done different is not have ladders on the side of the ship for them to climb up. Possibly have a way to shock anyone on the ladder if they must have them.
In Captain Phillips the pirates brought their own ladder. A shocking system could easily be countered using rubber. I think the best solution is to have one or two hired guns on cargo ships. The pirates are out in the open and exposed, a guy that's a decent shot with a rifle would be so helpful.

I think international law should be changed. I don't get why so many people have a crippling fear of guns. Where is the logic in that?
 

Hilander

Free Spirit
Staff member
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In Captain Phillips the pirates brought their own ladder. A shocking system could easily be countered using rubber. I think the best solution is to have one or two hired guns on cargo ships. The pirates are out in the open and exposed, a guy that's a decent shot with a rifle would be so helpful.

I think international law should be changed. I don't get why so many people have a crippling fear of guns. Where is the logic in that?
I must have missed that. Often I'm watching a movie and doing other things at the same time like cooking. Which is what I'm doing now.

I really don't get why they don't change that law. Pirates are bad around Africa. Your at anyone's mercy that has a gun. That's not right. You can't get military escort through these waters and most often help is very far away.
 

CaptainObvious

Embrace the Suck
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In Captain Phillips the pirates brought their own ladder. A shocking system could easily be countered using rubber. I think the best solution is to have one or two hired guns on cargo ships. The pirates are out in the open and exposed, a guy that's a decent shot with a rifle would be so helpful.

I think international law should be changed. I don't get why so many people have a crippling fear of guns. Where is the logic in that?
I've never understood it. I've been around guns all my life, they are nothing to fear. I feel quite the opposite, I feel more comfortable with guns around, especially when I have mine.

I agree international law should be changed. I would say at least a couple of hired guns would be ideal.
 

The_Chameleon

Grandmaster
I would be more concerned with the odds of bad guys stealing the guns from security guards than with them smuggling firearms on board. As for piracy, as long as we stay away from the trouble areas we should be okay I reckon. Ya know, if I ran that type of operation I think I would consider remote drone escorts capable of downing a motorboat full of armed bad guys, controlled from HQ. They don't cost much on gas so could provide economical security.

Pirates? What pirates? Pew-Pew! Rattatat-tat! :D



- Cham
 

Hilander

Free Spirit
Staff member
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I don't think staying away from troubled waters is an option. International trade depends on being able to transverse these waters. While pirating still goes on in these waters it is down from what it use to be. However pirates are going farther out to sea than they use to which makes it trickier to catch them.

I guess I was wrong, you can have a armed security team. I thought international law forbid it. I have read in many places it was. This came from a government page. This article is an interesting read.

International seaborne trade traversing through the Suez Canal to get from the United States or Europe to Asia must also travel through the Gulf of Aden and therefore along Somalia’s coast. This high volume of trade means that there is virtually an endless supply of ships for Somali pirates to target.

However, we must also recognize that even when fully implemented best management practices do not guarantee security from pirates. As a result, we have also supported the maritime industry’s use of additional measures to enhance their security – such as having armed security teams on board. To date, not a single ship with Privately Contracted Armed Security Personnel aboard has been pirated. Not one.

Piracy Off the Horn of Africa
 

idisrsly

I'm serious
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I haven't seen the movie, first of all. But to me, guns on a cruise ship just sound like an awful idea. Are we talking like passenger cruise ships, right? I absolutely think freight ships should have guns for protection against pirates, but guns on passenger cruise ship filled with civilians sounds like a bad plan.

What if the wrong person gets a hold of the gun? What if the right person, with all his training, makes a right call to shoot, but hits a vital and life threatening piece of the engine or anywhere on the ship, that could lead to mass deaths?

Is piracy actually a legit concern on passenger cruise ships to justify the need for guns? Because if not, and no passengers are allowed guns, I think security having guns is unnecessary.
 

CaptainObvious

Embrace the Suck
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Yeah, I know the title says "cruise ships" but I assumed he meant freight ships, since he referenced the movie and talked about the piracy problems. I agree, guns on cruise ships may not be the best idea, on freight ships I think they are.
 

dDave

Well-Known Member
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Yeah, I know the title says "cruise ships" but I assumed he meant freight ships, since he referenced the movie and talked about the piracy problems. I agree, guns on cruise ships may not be the best idea, on freight ships I think they are.
We're kind of talking about both here. Cruise ships and cargo ships.

It's true that cargo ships have been attacked a lot more but cruise ships should have protection as well. They've been attacked by pirates as well. Nobody is going to be unsafe if select security personnel have firearms. Basically, you don't know 100% what will happen and it's better to be safe than sorry.
 
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