Greatest lefty of all time?

Discussion in 'Baseball' started by Millz, Jun 5, 2009.

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Who is the best lefty?

Poll closed Jun 12, 2009.
  1. Randy Johnson

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. Sandy Koufax

    25.0%
  3. Warren Spahn

    25.0%
  4. Steve Charlton

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Lefty Grove

    50.0%
  1. Millz

    Millz LGB Staff Member V.I.P.

    There was a poll on ESPN and I thought I'd get some thoughts here. With Randy Johnson getting his 300th win, who do you think is the greatest left handed pitcher in history?

    Here are your choices:

    Lefty Grove
    Sandy Koufax
    Randy Johnson
    Warren Spahn
    Steve Charlton
     

  2. CaptainObvious

    CaptainObvious Son of Liberty V.I.P.

    I have to go with Sandy Koufax. I think he was one of the greatest pitchers of all time, it's too bad his career was cut short. He was more dominating than the rest of this list, although all of them were great pitchers in their own right.
     
  3. Millz

    Millz LGB Staff Member V.I.P.

    For me it's between Warren Spahn and Lefty Grove. Koufax for the amount of time he played was as dominate as you'll ever see but I think longevity has to come into play here so I'll eliminate him on that point.

    But when I think more and more on it I ultimately come up with Warren Spahn as the best ever. He won an insane 363 games over a 21 year career.
     
  4. Babe_Ruth

    Babe_Ruth Sultan of Swat Staff Member V.I.P.

    I am going with Lefty Grove, I dont have much time for a good explanation right now. But I believe he's one of the best pitchers of all time. Which is the main reason why I believe he's the best lefty of all time. Koufax was great, his peak of four years is one of the best. The only person that I see him giving him a challenge his the peak of Martinez in four years. But I don't think he was better than Grove. Like I said, I'll give a better explanation later.
     
  5. Wade8813

    Wade8813 Registered Member

    I'd put Grove as the best.
     
  6. Babe_Ruth

    Babe_Ruth Sultan of Swat Staff Member V.I.P.

    I'm not sure anyone has seen footage of Lefty Grove pitching, so here is a 20 second clip of Grove throwing warm ups. Look at the movement he has on his pitch at the end of the clip, just amazing.
     
  7. Rapier

    Rapier Registered Member V.I.P. Lifetime


    Spahn won 20 games 13 times. He didn't win his first game till he was 25.

    1963 was Sandy's first SUPER year.

    Other than the strikeouts Spahn, at age 42, might get an edge because of team and field.



    1963 Milwaukee Braves Batting, Pitching, & Fielding Statistics
    (Franchise Encyclopedia: 1962 / 1964)
    84-78, Finished 6th in National League
    View League Standings and Leaders
    Scored 677 runs, Allowed 603 runs. Pythagorean W-L: 90-72
    Manager: Bobby Bragan (84-78)
    Ballpark: County Stadium (ballparks.com)
    Attendance: 773,018 (9th of 10)
    Park Factors Over 100 favors batters, under 100 favors pitchers.
    multi-year:
    Batting - 99, Pitching - 98; one-year: Batting - 102, Pitching - 101

    1963 Los Angeles Dodgers Batting, Pitching, & Fielding Statistics
    (Franchise Encyclopedia: 1962 / 1964)
    99-63, Finished 1st in National League
    View League Standings and Leaders
    Scored 640 runs, Allowed 550 runs. Pythagorean W-L: 92-70
    Manager: Walter Alston (99-63)
    Ballpark: Dodger Stadium (ballparks.com)
    Attendance: 2,538,602 (1st of 10)
    Park Factors Over 100 favors batters, under 100 favors pitchers.
    multi-year:
    Batting - 93, Pitching - 91; one-year: Batting - 94, Pitching - 93
    World Series Champs Postseason: Won World Series (4-0) over New York Yankees
    Spahn 22 complete games 23-7 Age 42


    1963 42 MLN NL 23 7 .767 2.60 33 33 0 22 7 0 259.2 241 85 75 23 49 4 102 0 0 4 1037 124 1.117 8.4 0.8 1.7 3.5 2.08 AS,MVP-12



    Koufax 20 complete games 25-5 Age 27



    1963 27 LAD NL 25 5 .833 1.88 40 40 0 20 11 0 311.0 214 68 65 18 58 7 306 3 1 6 1210 159 0.875 6.2 0.5 1.7 8.9 5.28 AS,CYA-1,MVP-1


    Baseball-Reference.com - Major League Baseball Statistics and History
     

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