Geneon Collasping buy your DVDs while you can.

Discussion in 'Anime' started by Swiftstrike, Sep 28, 2007.

  1. Swiftstrike

    Swiftstrike Registered Member

    Geneon Collapsing buy your DVDs while you can.

    On ANN they have followed up on the ADV and Geneon deal cancelling right after Geneon layed off tons of employees heres a bit more on the subject. I found it in their Answerman column updated weekly.

    SIDEBAR I wonder what this means for Black Lagoon! If they will release they second Barrage or not?

    "Answerman you probably expected this question this week but WHAT HAPPENED TO GENEON?! Does this mean the anime industry is going to collapse?! why did the adv deal fall through? should I buy all the geneon stuff I want right now, will it all go out of print?

    While what happened to Geneon is significant and quite sad, I'm a little shocked at how people seem to really be overreacting to it.

    Geneon as we know it is going away. It is reasonable to assume that, according to their vague press releases, they're going to survive only as a Kadokawa-esque licensing house, subcontracting all production, sales, marketing, and what-have-you. They could also just fold completely and disappear. Based on what they've said, I think the former is more likely, but that's just my estimation.

    To be frank, yes, you should probably buy the Geneon titles you want now. They will effectively go out of print once Geneon stops production. If there's a particular title you can't live without but just haven't bought yet, find a place that has it in stock and snatch it up. If it's something you really, really want (and for some reason haven't bought it yet), don't wait for a fire sale, just get it now. I realize the instinct of anyone in this situation is to sit back and say "eh well Right Stuf will clear it all out eventually", but you're taking a chance, especially since the titles will be OOP and once they're sold out, your only other option is eBay.

    Geneon's exit from the American anime market is not a good thing, but it wasn't exactly the biggest shock ever. The company has been struggling for years. I've been hearing rumors from very reliable sources of Geneon's demise as early as last year, when it was becoming clear that they had a serious lack of A+, top shelf titles that were guaranteed sellers, and yet continued to license extremely niche, otaku-oriented shows that historically have proven to sell poorly, all the while failing to get the few shows they had with mainstream appeal into the public eye via Cartoon Network (Samurai Champloo aside). Many in the industry speculated that Geneon would collapse long before the writing was clearly on the wall, and it did, but trying to pin down one particular reason for it is impossible and foolish. It takes a lot more than some poor-selling titles to bring down a company. There were obviously many factors at play. The rampant, endless armchair business analysis that we see in anime forums all over seems desperate to find a single-sentence answer to something that would likely take pages to fully explain, which is a waste of time. I don't know the whole story - nobody does outside of Dentsu and Geneon executives, and they're not talking - so I would argue that continuing to go on and on and pick apart exactly what happened is silly.

    People also seem to be taking this event as a sign that the R1 anime industry is in its final days, and that Geneon's implosion will cause some kind of domino effect and topple even juggernauts like ADV Films and Funimation. Based on what I've heard, while these companies do have plenty of underperforming titles - and the looming spectre of rampant piracy and never-ending fansubs continues to be a problem that requires more attention than they're apparently willing to give - they are nevertheless healthy. Funimation in particular commands a remarkable share of the market and continues to release proven sellers like Dragonball Z and other high-energy action titles that are proven to bring in American audiences. ADV is experimenting with shows like Air, but they still have a robust catalog and continue to do strong business with their thinpaks. Devil May Cry in particular is one ADV license to watch out for - shows like that have a massive mainstream appeal and can bring in new fans. It's just the kind of license that performs very well here in the States, and just the kind of thing we need to see more of here to maintain the industry's strength. The Geneon deal falling through deprives ADV of additional market share, to be certain, but all it means is that ADV will continue business as usual rather than taking on a mountain of new titles (not to mention a mountain of Geneon's doubtlessly massive retailer debt; the company's sudden and hurried insistance that retailers have an extremely limited amount of time to return unsold inventory is a clear indication that ADV would have been inheriting not only a tremendous catalog of titles but also a tremendous number of returns).

    Of course, you can't have this conversation without talking about Viz. Viz is incredibly successful and has had a massive amount of success bringing over titles like Naruto, Bleach and Death Note. It would take an incredible shift in the market to bring down a company like Viz. They're not going away any time soon, and the failure of an already-struggling company like Geneon has little to no effect on that fact.

    In short, yes, Geneon's exit is a bad thing, a sign that not every company can survive in this market; yes, the R1 industry is facing new challenges, and there are problems they're not addressing competently, but the world is not ending, the major players will continue to be major players, and fans will continue to buy anime.

    So calm down."
     

  2. Vegito728

    Vegito728 Registered Member

    This is pretty sad news for the anime industry. But hey looks like I need to go buy some DVDs.
     
  3. Iris

    Iris rainbow 11!

    Me too... What are some of their titles?
     
  4. Swiftstrike

    Swiftstrike Registered Member

    Titles the USA Company has liscensed.

    3x3 Eyes (OAV)
    3x3 Eyes Seima Densetsu (OAV)
    Ah! My Goddess (TV)
    Ah! My Goddess: The Movie
    Ai Yori Aoshi (TV)
    Ai Yori Aoshi ~Enishi~ (TV)
    Akira (movie)
    Amazing Nurse Nanako (TV)
    Appleseed (movie)
    Aquarian Age - Sign for Evolution (TV)
    Arjuna (TV)
    Armitage III (OAV)
    Armitage III Polymatrix (movie)
    Armitage: Dual-Matrix (movie)
    Ayakashi - Samurai Horror Tales (TV)
    Azumanga Daioh (TV)
    Barefoot Gen (movie)
    Barefoot Gen 2 (movie)
    Bastard!! (OAV)
    Battle Athletes (OAV)
    Battle Athletes Victory (TV)
    Black Lagoon (TV)
    Black Lagoon: The Second Barrage (TV)
    Blood: The Last Vampire (movie)
    Bottle Fairy (TV)
    Burn-Up Scramble (TV)
    Cardcaptor Sakura (TV)
    Cardcaptor Sakura Movie 2: The Sealed Card
    Cardcaptor Sakura: The Movie
    Catnapped! The Movie
    Chibits (special)
    Chinese Ghost Story (Chinese movie)
    Chobits (TV)
    Chobits (OAV)
    Cybuster (TV)
    Daphne in the Brilliant Blue (TV)
    DearS (TV)
    Deltora Quest (TV)
    Demon Lord Dante (TV)
    Doki Doki School Hours (TV)
    Dokkoida?! (TV)
    Dragon Ball Z Movie 1: The Deadzone
    Dragon Ball Z Movie 2: The World's Strongest
    Dragon Ball Z Movie 3: The Tree of Might
    Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventure (TV)
    El Hazard - The Magnificent World (OAV)
    El Hazard 2 - The Magnificent World (OAV)
    El Hazard: The Alternative World (TV)
    El Hazard: The Wanderers (TV)
    Elemental Gelade (TV)
    Ergo Proxy (TV)
    éX-D: Danger Zone (OAV)
    eX-Driver the Movie
    Excel Saga (TV)
    Fafner (TV)
    Fate/stay night (TV)
    Fighting Spirit (TV)
    Final Fantasy: Unlimited (TV)
    FLCL (OAV)
    Fushigi Yugi Eikoden (OAV)
    Fushigi Yuugi (OAV 2)
    Fushigi Yuugi (TV)
    Fushigi Yuugi OAV
    Gad Guard (TV)
    Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo (TV)
    Gate Keepers (TV)
    Gate Keepers 21 (OAV)
    Ghost Talker's Daydream (OAV)
    Girls Bravo (TV)
    Green Legend Ran (OAV)
    Gregory Horror Show (TV)
    Guardian of the Sacred Spirit (TV)
    Gungrave (TV)
    GUNxSWORD (TV)
    Haibane Renmei (TV)
    Hajime no Ippo - Champion Road (special)
    Hakkenden: Legend of the Dog Warriors (OAV)
    Hanaukyo Maid Team: La Verite (TV)
    Hand Maid May (TV)
    Heat Guy J (TV)
    Hellsing (OAV)
    Hellsing (TV)
    His and Her Circumstances (TV)
    Human Crossing (TV)
    Hyper Doll (OAV)
    Ikki Tousen (TV)
    Jubei-Chan 2: The Counter Attack of Siberia Yagyu (TV)
    Kamichu! (TV)
    Kannazuki no Miko (TV)
    Karin (TV)
    Kishin Corps (OAV)
    Koi Kaze (TV)
    Kyo Kara Maoh! (TV)
    L/R: Licensed by Royalty (TV)
    Last Exile (TV)
    Last Quarter (live-action movie)
    Leave it to Kero! Theatrical Version (movie)
    Love Hina (TV)
    Lupin III: Part II (TV)
    Lupin III: The Secret of Mamo (movie)
    Madlax (TV)
    Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (TV)
    Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's (TV)
    Magical Girl Pretty Sammy (OAV)
    Magical Girl Pretty Sammy Bonus Theatre (OAV)
    Magical Project S (TV)
    Mahoromatic - Automatic Maiden (TV)
    Mahoromatic: Something More Beautiful (TV)
    Mahoromatic: Summer Special
    Makai Senki Disgaea (TV)
    Mao-chan (TV)
    Master Keaton (TV)
    Master Keaton (OAV)
    Mermaid Forest (TV)
    Mini Pato (movie)
    Moldiver (OAV)
    Nazca (TV)
    New Getter Robo (OAV)
    NieA_7 (TV)
    Noir (TV)
    Onmyoji (live-action movie)
    Onmyoji II (live-action movie)
    Panda! Go, Panda! (movie)
    Panda! Go, Panda!: Rainy Day Circus (movie)
    Paradise Kiss (TV)
    Paranoia Agent (TV)
    Patlabor WXIII (movie 3)
    Petite Cossette (OAV)
    Phantom Quest Corp. (OAV)
    Popotan (TV)
    Puni Puni Poemy (OAV)
    R.O.D -The TV-
    Requiem from the Darkness (TV)
    Revolutionary Girl Utena (TV)
    Rozen Maiden (TV)
    Rozen Maiden: Träumend (TV)
    Rumiko Takahashi Anthology (TV)
    Sailor Moon R Movie: Promise of the Rose
    Sailor Moon S (TV)
    Sailor Moon S Movie: Hearts in Ice
    Sailor Moon SuperS (TV)
    Sailor Moon SuperS Movie: Black Dream Hole
    Saiyuki Gunlock (TV)
    Saiyuki Reload (TV)
    Sakura Wars: The Movie
    Samurai Champloo (TV)
    Serial Experiments Lain (TV)
    Shakugan no Shana (TV)
    Shakugan no Shana Tokubetsuhen: Koi to Onsen no Kougai Gakushuu! (OAV)
    Shakugan no Shanatan (special)
    Shakugan no Shanatan Returns (special)
    Sherlock Hound (TV)
    Shonen Onmyouji (TV)
    Sol Bianca: The Legacy (OAV)
    Someday's Dreamers (TV)
    Space Pirate Captain Herlock The Endless Odyssey (OAV)
    Star Ocean EX (TV)
    Starship Operators (TV)
    Stellvia (TV)
    Strawberry Eggs (TV)
    Strawberry Marshmallow (TV)
    Submarine 707R (OAV)
    Sugar: A Little Snow Fairy (TV)
    Sugar: A Little Snow Fairy Summer Special
    Tales of Phantasia (OAV)
    Tenchi in Tokyo (TV)
    Tenchi Muyo Movie 1: Tenchi in Love
    Tenchi Muyo Movie 2: Daughter of Darkness
    Tenchi Muyo Movie 3: Tenchi Forever
    Tenchi Muyo! Mihoshi Special
    Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki (OAV)
    Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki OAV 2
    Tenchi Muyo! The Night Before The Carnival (OAV)
    Tenchi Universe (TV)
    Tenjho Tenge (TV)
    Tenjho Tenge: Ultimate Fight (OAV)
    Tetsujin 28-go (live-action movie)
    Tetsujin 28th (TV)
    Texhnolyze (TV)
    The Adventures of Mini-Goddess (TV)
    The Daichis - Earth Defence Family (TV)
    The Dog of Flanders (movie)
    The Familiar of Zero (TV)
    The Law of Ueki (TV)
    The Legend of Black Heaven (TV)
    The Melody of Oblivion (TV)
    The Red Spectacles (live-action movie)
    The SoulTaker (TV)
    The Story of Saiunkoku (TV)
    This Ugly Yet Beautiful World (TV)
    Tokyo Underground (TV)
    Trigun (TV)
    Tsukihime, Lunar Legend (TV)
    Ultra Maniac (TV)
    Vandread (TV)
    Vandread: The Second Stage (TV)
    Viewtiful Joe (TV)
    When They Cry - Higurashi (TV)
    X (TV)
    X OAV
    Zipang (TV)
    Zoids (TV)
    Zoids/ZERO (TV)

    Source ANN some titles like Love Hina have been tranfered to other studios. Man I would like to own Vandread...I thought ADV had it liscensed.
     
  5. Fresh

    Fresh Aw, Here It Goes!

    Looks like im going to have to get Black Lagoon sooner than expected.
     
  6. Henskie

    Henskie The Super Pimp of GF

    I wonder if the prices will drop soon?
     
  7. Malificus

    Malificus Likes snow

    Geneon only has the liscence ti FLCL's soundtrack. Same for a few other series on that list
     
  8. Iris

    Iris rainbow 11!

    OMG KANNAZUKI NO MIKO AND REVOLUTIONARY GIRL UTENA!

    I only have about 24 dollars. D: I can't afford those seasons! DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN

    Looks like I'll have to do chores around the house like mad until I can at least get Kannazuki No Miko.
     
  9. Swiftstrike

    Swiftstrike Registered Member

    I figured there are a few titles on that list they sold their liscense to or otherwise only own part of the franchise. Like a sountrack.

    But still its a pretty hefty list.


    I wouldnt wait for the prices to drop because most of the dvds will become pretty rare commodities soon...
     
  10. Palsa-San

    Palsa-San Registered Member

    The funny thing about this is that if you go to their website, you wont see anything about this.
    If anything, they describe themselves as "[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A leading supplier of Japanese animation in North America[/FONT][/FONT]".
    I think I'm going to send them an e-mail asking about this, because something seems messed up about all of this.


    If I get any response, I'll quote it here.
     
    Last edited: Jan 8, 2008

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