Gangs: What is wrong with society

Discussion in 'Politics & Law' started by Merc, Mar 25, 2007.

  1. Merc

    Merc Certified Shitlord V.I.P. Lifetime

    As per Corona's request, I'd like to open up this thread to the discussion of gangs, gang-like behavior, and why I believe it's one of the main problems with society today.

    When we think of gangs, we see minorities hanging on broken down streets covered in grafitti and shattered glass bottles. This image is a difficult one to shake if you've ever lived near or in a town or city that is populated with gang members.

    The city I grew up next to is known for it's gang activity. My family won't set foot in that town unless we have a very good reason because the likelihood of you being robbed or shot it is rather high. So before you little racist-flag toting loonies come in here, know that this is the solitary reason I don't go to this city.

    Gangs represent a major problem, the lack of attention and community in places that need it the most (inner-cities, poor towns). I believe gangs come into being when a group of people feel that they've been so far oppressed that they need to start doing things by themselves for only themselves. This is evident in gang wars because people still kill each other over "turf" which has to be one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard of.

    Unfortunately, I wanted to add more, but I must depart for a bit. I'll come back to this thread later, but feel free to disagree, agree, or elaborate your own points.
     

  2. wyldesykosis

    wyldesykosis Feral

    Gangs are a problem (coming from an ex-gang theif btw)!

    His description is rather accurate actually. The problem with gang members is that the majority are pussies that try to make an image of themselves (usually the tough bad ass look). The problem is the majority of members aren't bad asses so they use guns.....and aslo if they can't handle a situation alone (happens most of the time) they get others to help out (most members are always willing to help hoping to get credit [for their image (think of it as a reputation in the gang)]). Very few gang members are bad asses......

    Not all gangs claim turf (vast majority do tho)...some a strictly business....meaning they'll do various types of jobs (transportation [weapons, drugs, money, etc.] , protection [escorts, bodygaurds, etc.], drug deals, selling of weapons, arenas, burglary [residential and businesses], etc.) wherever, not caring whose "turf" their in (which is a common case for gang wars)....

    I'm curious what you have to say btw.


    (Btw I haven't seen anything thus far that you've said that I disagree with)
     
  3. Merc

    Merc Certified Shitlord V.I.P. Lifetime

    I just wanted to add more on the "gang" like mindset we tend to have in such things as politics and social reform.

    Look around. See the special interest groups? Yeah, those people. Groups like PETA that stand for a cause and use a surprisng array of means to get their messages across. They exhibit gang like mentality in my opinion because they aren't trying to get respect, money, drugs, or whatever a stereotypical street gang would want, but they're selling their opinions (in some cases, giving their opinions as fact). American people praise this idea of individuality yet no one is an individual.

    I think that's what I was getting at, although it may be poorly worded.
     
  4. Corona

    Corona Registered Member

    I believe that in your second post Merc, you hinted at the oppressiveness of the 'gangs' or groups themselves. Groups like PETA appeal to emotions, and use illogical, unreasonable, and often violent means to change opinions. They do not want people to think on their own, they want people to think what they think, and they'll kill, steal, lie, and cheat to get that.

    As for the street gangs, I cannot even fathom how something so idiotic could take place. It is beyond my comprehension, and I don't wish to waste my time pondering it.
     
  5. Kazmarov

    Kazmarov For a Free Scotland

    I can in some cases see why the gangs originate, though justifying them is somewhat harder.

    I live near East Palo Alto, which had the highest per-capita murder rate in the country in the early 90's. It's essientally a black enclave in a largely upper middle class suburban enviroment. Their school board is notoriously incompetent and corrupt, they have implicitly and explicitly been given insufficent funding for various renewel purposes, and generally they've been ignored except by various charity groups.

    Disenfranchisment leads to a sort of nationalist microcosm. They've been shafted and they know it, so they seek acceptance in gangs. It's an entirally human process, and though the end results are usually bad, I don't feel any great need to demonize them. Minority groups in urban enviroments tend to group together, and if it's poor and depressed enough a violent movement may start. Essientally, it's all a third-world country political scenario run in our own cities, and it can be sobering.

    Activism's the same kind of banding together.

    We all get together with friends sometimes and do stupid shit, or say stupid shit. The fact that it's largely muted compared to other group social interactions is simply a matter of magnitude, not a devitation of thought.
     
  6. ChinUp

    ChinUp ¤ Breathe

    Martin Luther King, Jr. A riot is at bottom the language of the unheard

    I lived in DC for quite a few years .. a similar sharp divide of incomes is present in DC also .. income being the crucial word hear ..

    Obtaining money, property is a key player with illigal activity .. the intimidation & violence is a byproduct of the demand for security in the form of cash & props ..

    Dealing with gang activity can never be solved by arresting as many people as possible .. only by arresting the need to kill, steal, bully ect to get what you want/need .. will any real change will happen .. remove the need ..

    in a warped kind of way gang controlled areas of cities are training grounds for top military personnel .. a war zone is a war zone Imo .. weapons & class A drugs come in the same packaging ..
     
  7. wyldesykosis

    wyldesykosis Feral

    The only way to remove the need you speak of is to make this an anarchy.....
     
  8. ChinUp

    ChinUp ¤ Breathe

    yes thats just the kind of thinking that generates such ugly scenes I believe ..
     
  9. wyldesykosis

    wyldesykosis Feral

    What a literal view on this situation creates ugly scenes? Yes it can if the scene is ugly. I don't much like gangs anymore....because of personal experience!
     
  10. Kazmarov

    Kazmarov For a Free Scotland

    Since when do we need to abolish the entire need? There's a difference between eradicating the emotion and figuring out how to lessen the 50,000 people in MS13.

    Jeez, we start with the logical solution (social democracy) and then go straight to anarchy. Why delve into theorehtics to address such a realist problem?
     

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