Gamers are war criminals

Bjarki

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Games 'permit' virtual war crimes

Video games depicting war have come under fire for flouting laws governing armed conflicts.
Human rights groups played various games to see if any broke humanitarian laws that govern what is a war crime.
The study condemned the games for violating laws by letting players kill civilians, torture captives and wantonly destroy homes and buildings.
It said game makers should work harder to remind players about the real world limits on their actions.

War without limits
The study was carried out by two Swiss human rights organisations - Trial and Pro Juventute. Staff played the games in the presence of lawyers skilled in the interpretation of humanitarian laws.
Twenty games were scrutinised to see if the conflicts they portrayed and what players can do in the virtual theatres of war were subject to the same limits as in the real world.
"The practically complete absence of rules or sanctions is... astonishing," said the study.
Army of Two, Call of Duty 5, Far Cry 2 and Conflict Desert Storm were among the games examined.
The games were analysed to see "whether certain scenes and acts committed by players would constitute violations of international law if they were real, rather than virtual".
The group chose games, rather than films, because of their interactivity.
"Thus," said the report, "the line between the virtual and real experience becomes blurred and the game becomes a simulation of real-life situations on the battlefield."
The testers looked for violations of the Geneva Conventions and its Additional Protocols which cover how war should be waged.
In particular, the testers looked for how combatants who surrendered were treated, what happened to citizens caught up in war zones and whether damage to buildings was proportionate.
Some games did punish the killing of civilians and reward strategies that tried to limit the damage done by the conflict, said the study.
However, it said, many others allowed "protected objects" such as churches and mosques to be attacked; some depicted interrogations that involved torture or degradation and a few permitted summary executions.
The authors acknowledged that the project was hard because it was not clear from many of the games the scale of the conflict being depicted. This made it hard to definitively determine which humanitarian laws should be enforced.
It also said that the games were so complex that it was difficult to be confident that its testers had seen all possible violations or, in games in which they found none, that no violations were possible.
It noted that, even though most players would never become real world combatants, the games could influence what people believe war is like and how soldiers conduct themselves in the real world.
It said games were sending an "erroneous" message that conflicts were waged without limits or that anything was acceptable in counter-terrorism operations.
"This is especially problematic in view of today's reality," said the study.
In particular, it said, few games it studied reflected the fact that those who "violate international humanitarian law end up as war criminals, not as winners".
The authors said they did not wish to make games less violent, instead, they wrote: "[We] call upon game producers to consequently and creatively incorporate rules of international humanitarian law and human rights into their games."
John Walker, one of the writers on the Rock, Paper, Shotgun games blog, said: "Games really are treated in a peculiar way."
He doubted that anyone would campaign for books to follow humanitarian laws or for James Bond to be denounced for machine-gunning his way through a supervillain's underground complex.
He said the authors did not understand that gamers could distinguish between fantasy and reality.
Said Mr Walker: "For all those who mowed down citizens in Modern Warfare 2's controversial airport level, I have the sneaking suspicion that not a great deal of them think this is lawful, nor appropriate, behaviour."
Jim Rossignol, who also writes on Rock, Paper, Shotgun, said there was scope to mix real-world rules of war into games.
"Whether or not the rules of war are included in the game should be based entirely on whether that improves the experience for the player," he said.
Mr Rossignol said there was plenty of evidence that gaming violence is "fully processed" as fantasy by gamers. Studies of soldiers on the front line in Iraq showed that being a gamer did not desensitise them to what they witnessed.
He added: "Perhaps what this research demonstrates is that the researchers misunderstand what games are, and how they are treated, intellectually, by the people who play them."

Source: BBC News - Games 'permit' virtual war crimes
You are all little Hitlers you :lol:
 

ExpectantlyIronic

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It sounds like Trial and Pro Juventute were just saying games should be more realistic in their portrayal of the consequences of committing war crimes. Not unreasonable. That said, I like walking in front of cars in GTAIV and putting slugs into the drivers if they just slightly annoy me. The consequences of murder in broad daylight is that some cops will chase you ineptly until you drive far enough away from them (a couple city blocks). Or so I've learned. Game makers have to consider what's fun, first off, but if they're going for realism, taking international law into account would be a good idea.
 
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icegoat63

Son of Liberty
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The study condemned the games for violating laws by letting players kill civilians, torture captives and wantonly destroy homes and buildings.

It said game makers should work harder to remind players about the real world limits on their actions.
Because in War Civilians, Buildings, and Captives are always spared and never harmed. Blow it out your ass, more buildings were destroyed in WWII than we can even tally up. More civilians died in the Hiroshima blast, to the hands of Somalian Pirates, or to the Plight of Flight 93 than any video game has ever foretold.

Want something real... War is a bitch, people die buildings get raped and pillaged.
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Those who violate international humanitarian law end up as war criminals, not as winners
actually... I can say we've learned this from Modern Warfare 2:

History is written by the victors. History is full of liars....If he lives, and we die, his truth will be written.
 
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Nevyrmoore

AKA Ass-Bandit
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Army of Two, Call of Duty 5, Far Cry 2 and Conflict Desert Storm were among the games examined.
Conflict: Desert Storm I'll grant them to some degree, but come on. You play as special forces in that game. News of whaterver shit they get up to only reaches those who need to know. Everyone else is either fed misinformation, or simply not told about it.

As for the rest? Well, Far Cry 2, you're pretty much a soldier of fortune, and I highly doubt they generally care about the geneva convention. Same kinda goes for Army of Two, but seriously? That game is more about rule of cool. And Call of Duty 5, well...that another point in the Earth's timeline. I doubt we follow the exact same guidelines they had back then.
 
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icegoat63

Son of Liberty
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Conflict: Desert Storm I'll grant them to some degree, but come on. You play as special forces in that game. News of whaterver shit they get up to only reaches those who need to know. Everyone else is either fed misinformation, or simply not told about it.
I dont remember killing civilians in that game. I recall playing it and it wasnt the best game I'd ever played. But seriously... I don't recall ever killing civilians or blowing up buildings. I mean that whole Bad Company style of Building Demolition engine really wasn't that prevalent around the time C:DS was out right? Did we torture in that game? :hah:
 

Nevyrmoore

AKA Ass-Bandit
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Honesly? I don't recall. It's been years since I've played it, and the only one I've played since is Conflict: Veitnam (only partway through mission one, already regret it...)
 

icegoat63

Son of Liberty
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Maybe its the definition of the Terrorist they are upset with. Because if I recall right the antagonists in that game were terrorists and the only way to define terrorists around that time was patchy beard and a turban.



But now its like game developers really cant even make war games because at some point you have to create a conflict in the game between two nations, which means one nation has to be the "bad guy". And apparently Russia didnt appreciate being that guy in MW2 :hah:
 

MAgnum9987

Do What Thou Wilt
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More political bullshit. Apparently, the heads of these guys is shoved so far up their ass taht they can feel they can tell us whats good for us and the world. NO ONE GIVES A SHIT!

War is differant than just about anything a videogame can capture. No matter how intense it can be, war will be more so. To compare the two is like comparing Apples and Bannanas. It makes no sense.

"It noted that, even though most players would never become real world combatants, the games could influence what people believe war is like and how soldiers conduct themselves in the real world." Stupidest thing ever. I'll guarantee you that 1 in 5 soldiers at war right now will say they played violent videogames before enlisting. When the Playstation first came out, alot of our soldiers where teenagers. The lot of them played such videogames. It called "Generation Kill," Where our warriors who played violent videogames as kids become the real deal. The comparison is just retarded.

And every REAL soldier gets trained to NOT do the things they do in videogames. These organizations need to fuck off who tell us otherwise.....
 

Bananas

Endangered Species
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This is brilliant...what a ploy...geniuses!

"Hey guys I have an idea that will basically involve us playing video games for the next 12 months!":D

I cant believe you guys are not seeing through this. Its not political correctness gone mad, its a bunch of people finding an excellent excuse to play video games and get credited for doing so. They publish a paper at the end of their [strike]gaming session[/strike] study, that does not include anything we did not already knowo and all of a sudden you have a bunch of gamers on their high horses.....so now they can do another study!...its brilliant:lol:
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buildings get raped
:-o People rape buildings!
 
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