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Florida Panthers... with another black eye...

willge87

Registered Member
The Tri-Counties (Dade, Broward & Palm Beach) are bandwagon cities. The Marlins draw flies, the Panthers draw flies and the common denominator with them is that neither team has really performed well the past few years. We'll see how much of the Heat bandwagon drops off after the "Big Three" was broken up and even the Dolphins who are the oldest team in the market aren't as popular as they once were.
 

Crypticshock

Registered Member
The StroShow said:
Crypticshock said:
While what is going on in Florida is unfortunate, unless the owners are not willing to take the bad with the good this team could be in major trouble soon. It's the new owners that spent the money for upgrades and player acquisitions. They've already been on record saying that this business plan is not sustainable. So things have to change there soon, and in a hurry. If this continues for 2-3 more seasons, then shit could hit the fan. They lost an excess of 20 million last year and from their 55% capacity in 2 games so far, they are on pace to lose a lot more. Opening night didn't even sell out. Opening night was 11,419. Even the Coyotes could sell out their home openers every year.

There three years ago the Panthers made the playoffs and they couldn't sell out the first game in the first round... that was insulting. Not even the Coyotes could do that ;)

I will always believe the NHL want the Panthers and Lightning in the same area for those "Florida" trip scheduling... but, if things get dire, the NHL will not fight as hard to keep the Panthers in Florida like they did for the Coyotes in Arizona. The NHL could easily ship the Panthers to Las Vegas (*Legal troubles on that one) or Seattle. Then expansion in Quebec and another West city. Everything becomes equal.

*All four major leagues came to Canada to fight a single betting bill that is still in the Senate. Moving to Vegas is a complete and total contradiction and could, if someone had the balls, create a legal issue if the bill fails in Canada.
Bob McKenzie disagrees with you. James Duthie asked the question on TSN quiz if the Florida Panthers are in danger of losing their team, and he said no. He believes that the NHL wants a team in South Florida, and if you think they fought hard to keep the Coyotes in Arizona, we haven't seen nothing yet.
I think I summed up if the owners are willing to ride it out, they will stay... but the NHL will be in deep if they want to take another team out of bankruptcy and I also said the NHL wants to keep Florida and Tampa Bay in place. Florida makes better sense for the NHL to move over the Coyotes (East to West and not West to East) so they wouldn't ride out 5 years of owning a team. Then again, the NHL was 10 minutes away from putting Coyotes in Winnipeg after 3 years...

Also, what idiot would pay to buy the Panthers at the rate they are about to lose money?
 
Crypticshock said:
While what is going on in Florida is unfortunate, unless the owners are not willing to take the bad with the good this team could be in major trouble soon. It's the new owners that spent the money for upgrades and player acquisitions. They've already been on record saying that this business plan is not sustainable. So things have to change there soon, and in a hurry. If this continues for 2-3 more seasons, then shit could hit the fan. They lost an excess of 20 million last year and from their 55% capacity in 2 games so far, they are on pace to lose a lot more. Opening night didn't even sell out. Opening night was 11,419. Even the Coyotes could sell out their home openers every year.

There three years ago the Panthers made the playoffs and they couldn't sell out the first game in the first round... that was insulting. Not even the Coyotes could do that ;)

I will always believe the NHL want the Panthers and Lightning in the same area for those "Florida" trip scheduling... but, if things get dire, the NHL will not fight as hard to keep the Panthers in Florida like they did for the Coyotes in Arizona. The NHL could easily ship the Panthers to Las Vegas (*Legal troubles on that one) or Seattle. Then expansion in Quebec and another West city. Everything becomes equal.

*All four major leagues came to Canada to fight a single betting bill that is still in the Senate. Moving to Vegas is a complete and total contradiction and could, if someone had the balls, create a legal issue if the bill fails in Canada.
Wouldn't it make more sense to move the Panthers to Quebec City simply because you're avoiding a huge clusterfuck of realignment? They're already in the good division, no need to bother any owners with some realignments again. I'd say: move the Panthers to Quebec City, re-christen them the Nordiques and have the expansion for Las Vegas and Seattle, if Bettman wants it that much.

But then again, everything seems SO much better when it's complicated in the NHL.
 

goingtopshelf

Registered Member
Even the Miami Hurricanes football team is having attendance issues and they have been king for a long time. One big difference between Sunrise and Glendale is that Arizona has an in the lease. They lose $50 M in a 5 year span they can leave. Last year they lost $29 M. Florida doesn't have that and for some reason Broward County seems more than happy to keep giving them money sometimes without intent of payback or very little return.
 

BourneofDarkness15

Registered Member
How in the world can the NHL just let this team sit in a place where it's doing nothing? Like another said, put the team in Quebec at least they'll appreciate the team
 

Crypticshock

Registered Member
@EdgeHead - The realignment ends after next season. Winnipeg Jets had a shit travel schedule for a year... Regardless - swapping Florida to Seattle and making the Pacific 8 teams wouldn't hurt anyone. 15 W and 15 E.
 

willge87

Registered Member
The Florida Panthers are averaging 10,588 people per game through 16 home games. That is 62.1% of capacity.

I've attended the last two Florida home games. Sunday against Toronto drew something like 17,000 or 18,000. The majority were cheering for Toronto. Tonight against Montreal was a sellout and the vast majority were cheering for Montreal. I sound like a broken record, but the only way this franchise gets a good crowd is if the crowd is partisan to the visiting club. At least against Toronto there was some semblance of support for the Panthers. Pre-lockout Leaf/Panther games in Florida resembled Hab/Panther games, but for reasons I assume surround the fortunes of the Leafs there isn't as strong a presence in Florida as there once was even though it is still strong. However, tonight it wasn't even close, mind you it is hard to tell how many Panther fans there truly are because that goal horn is deafening.

But, the intangibles of the arena are also becoming an issue. It costs $20.00 to park and that only started in recent years as before that it was free. The price of concessions is exorborant as chicken fingers and fries costs $14.00 and a drink costs $6.00. Not exactly wise in a market that struggles to attract fans supporting the home team. Again, the location is a double-edged sword. It's basically as far as you can go before you hit the everglades. In fact, you can see it from the western side of the arena on the smoking patio. It is at the junction of three highways. The Miami Metro area isn't very wide because of the everglades and it is made up of Miami Dade, Broward (Ft. Lauderdale) and Palm Beach Counties. It's probably an hour plus (if not more) from one end to another (w/o traffic), and I suppose the logic in building the arena there was to try to balance it between the three counties. I guess there wasn't any land in downtown Ft. Lauderdale to do it either?

Anyways, Bettman really needs to look at why there is a team in Sunrise. The Panthers are much improved and I suppose they'll be given a chance to see what fanbase there can be with a descent team, but you gotta wonder. I know it'll ruin December trips for Canadians without hockey, but why does Quebec City not have a team, but this locale does?
 

Crypticshock

Registered Member
That 10,588 attendance is inflated by the Habs and Toronto games. Before that, their average was below 9,000. Yes - below 9,000.
 

willge87

Registered Member
Crypticshock said:
That 10,588 attendance is inflated by the Habs and Toronto games. Before that, their average was below 9,000. Yes - below 9,000.
They were curtaining off the upper bowl of the BB&T Center earlier in the season. It was removed for the Pittsburgh game that took place last Monday. It is no coincidence that the Panthers late December schedule sees them at home against PIT, TOR, MTL and NYR. All of those teams are sure to bring in larger crowds, and in the cast of TOR, MTL and NYR a lot of away fans.
 

StroShow

The return shall be legenday!
V.I.P.
What I'm more worried about the state of this franchise is, that they're a currently 2 points away from a playoff spot, and they're young and exciting but fans are still not showing up. That should paint a large picture to Bettman, but he just doesn't get it.
 
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