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First female Army Rangers

Crouton

Ninja
V.I.P.
Okay so where are your sources that if women join the military they don't have to participate in combat? Unless they are pregnant or on leave.
 

Smelnick

Creeping On You
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Racism is quite like sexism. If white/black people joined the military and only one race had to participate in combat would that be fair to the race that had to risk their lives in combat?

Stop reading from imaginary lines.

If white/black people joined the military and only one race participated in combat would that be fair to the race that had to risk their lives in combat?
Clearly I'm misunderstanding you. Care to restate that in different words? What I'm getting from it is that you're suggesting girls and boys are joining the military and only one of them is actually risking their lives. Which confuse me, because both DO fight.
 

Rapier

Well-Known Member
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Okay so where are your sources that if women join the military they don't have to participate in combat? Unless they are pregnant or on leave.
It's a volunteer thing now.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/women-marines-combat-60-minutes-david-martin/

The Marines are looking for a few good women to serve in combat but, after more than two years of trying, no woman has made it through the grueling infantry officer school.
It's like being tone deaf at American Idol tryouts.
The Marine Corps is under orders to open up its ground combat units - one of the last all-male bastions in the military -- to women, but it has been unable to find any female capable of making it through its three-month infantry officer course.
What's the freaking point?
 

Crouton

Ninja
V.I.P.
The marines is one segment of military. What about the army or the air force or the navy? Pointing out one group where females haven't yet made the cut is hardly a valid point in your argument.

I believe you should also be looking broader than just the US as well to see how much of a positive impact females in the armed forces can be.

For example:
http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/05032015

Right now Kurdish forces are fighting ISIS in Iraq, Syria etc. But these forces are largely female, many of the units are lead by women, and many units are entirely female. They in fact have more female unit leaders in the field than male. And ISIS are terrified of them.

The reason ISIS are so scared is simple, they are under a belief system that when they die they will receive 72 virgins in heaven. However, if an ISIS soldier is killed by a woman, they then belief they will receive nothing in the afterlife. Because of this the group is now terrified of the female lead Kurdish infantry and they are much more effective at fighting against them than male-only armies which have tried. They aren't scared of men since they believe that is an honorable death with virgins.

This is a female advantage, and imagine if we all lived in your hyper-sexist world where no women ever went to war. We never would have known this and realised how effective it is to fight ISIS with women. These women had no trouble passing their training, the exact same training that the men go through.

 

Rapier

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You do realize ISIS is a CIA/Israel construct?

What is so ludicrous about your position is that I'm sure you are of opine that men should never hit a woman. So why should women be allowed in combat billets when they are gender protected in American society.

As for the Kurds, you do realize
Honor killings
The Free Women's Organization of Kurdistan (FWOK) released a statement on International Women's Day 2015 noting that “6,082 women were killed or forced to commit suicide during the past year in Iraqi Kurdistan, which is almost equal to the number of the Peshmerga martyred fighting Islamic State (IS),” and that a large number of women were victims of honor killings or enforced suicide – mostly self-immolation or hanging.[25]

Methinks the Kurdish women aren't volunteers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_women#Honor_killings
 

Crouton

Ninja
V.I.P.
It's so cute and funny the way you make assumptions about people haha. I have no problem at all if a man hits a woman out of self defense. Same as I've got no problem with a women hitting a man out of self defense. It's the unnecessary violence between anyone which I don't like, whether that be male on female violence or female on male.

The honor killings are bad, but a lot of the female Kurdish forces are volunteers. They want to fight for their freedom. I see you did one quick look at a wikipedia article. Well done. I'm amazed at your big boy reading skills. I've watched several hours worth of documentaries on this topic.

Honor killings are bad yes, but what gave you the impression that they are somehow related to the military? If you did more than read one sentence on wikipedia you would know that the woman who do work in the armed forces are fighting against honor killings in the country. And despite the issues surrounding some aspects of the Kurdish army, in the end it still proves that these women, who go through the right training are extremely effective on the battlefield. In some cases against ISIS, they are even more effective than men.

Since you are horrifically uneducated on this topic, here's a few tidbits for you. The honor killings you speak of (but know nothing about) are illegal, but some still take place in secret (these cases are still treated like a normal murder case). The killings come about from situations such as a woman having sex out of wed lock, or a woman refusing to marry. It's horrible but it has nothing to do with the military, the women in it or the women fighting ISIS.

In addition to this, some of the Kurdish military groups which are largely women, are seen as a safehouse, and often women run to them in a time of need when they fear that they are in danger of an honor killing. So these fighting women are a beacon of hope and a signal of change in a country that has for many years has had serious problem with women and gender equality.

"The women of the pesh merga, however, may be the key to upending Kurdistan’s gender inequities. When a Kurdish woman fears she may have somehow tarnished the family honor, and has been targeted by a vengeful male relative, the pesh merga will provide her with a safe house, “and try to negotiate settlements with the families,” Niqash reports. What’s more, fighters have to be literate to join the pesh merga, according to Jeremy Bender of Business Insider. Its female fighters aren’t just trained in ammunition and hand-to-hand combat, but politics and human rights, too."
http://op-talk.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/13/women-fight-isis-and-sexism-in-kurdish-regions/
 
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Hilander

Free Spirit
Staff member
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You do know Rapier that the Navy has female Admirals. I was a woman Admiral that that lead the rescue of Captain Phillips. I think she did a fine job. They don't replace them with men when the going gets tough either.

http://www.eurthisnthat.com/2009/04/24/african-american-female-commander-thwarts-pirates/

I was talking to a black woman one day that was feeling disgusted about having no black women for other black women to look up to. When I told her about this female Admiral I think it made her day.

http://www.militaryavenue.com/Artic...irals+Mentor+Other+Female+Sailors+-30825.aspx
 

Rapier

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You do know Rapier that the Navy has female Admirals. I was a woman Admiral that that lead the rescue of Captain Phillips. I think she did a fine job. They don't replace them with men when the going gets tough either.

http://www.eurthisnthat.com/2009/04/24/african-american-female-commander-thwarts-pirates/

I was talking to a black woman one day that was feeling disgusted about having no black women for other black women to look up to. When I told her about this female Admiral I think it made her day.

http://www.militaryavenue.com/Artic...irals+Mentor+Other+Female+Sailors+-30825.aspx
They don't have to replace them. The men knew how to do the right stuff. Me is sure Howard was fast tracked. I know what an LSD is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dock_landing_ship#Vessels_of_the_LSD_hull_classification

http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/captain-phillips.php

How many of the Somali pirates were killed?

Like in the movie, snipers from the Navy's famed SEAL Team Six used night-vision goggles to set their sights on the lifeboat and shoot three of the Somali pirates in the head almost simultaneously. The fourth, Abduwali Abdukhadir Muse, had come aboard the destroyer USS Bainbridge to seek medical attention for his badly cut hand and to negotiate the release of Captain Phillips. After his fellow pirates were killed, Muse remained on the Bainbridge and was taken into custody.
 

Rapier

Well-Known Member
V.I.P.
Since you are horrifically uneducated on this topic, here's a few tidbits for you. The honor killings you speak of (but know nothing about) are illegal, but some still take place in secret (these cases are still treated like a normal murder case). The killings come about from situations such as a woman having sex out of wed lock, or a woman refusing to marry. It's horrible but it has nothing to do with the military, the women in it or the women fighting ISIS.
Honor killings are bad yes, but what gave you the impression that they are somehow related to the military?

They have everything to do with the fact that the men in charge are hiding behind petticoats.
 

Hilander

Free Spirit
Staff member
V.I.P.
They don't have to replace them. The men knew how to do the right stuff. Me is sure Howard was fast tracked. I know what an LSD is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dock_landing_ship#Vessels_of_the_LSD_hull_classification

http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/captain-phillips.php
Sure they knew what they were doing just like they would under any male admiral so what's your point.

I would say she is more than qualified.

Admiral Howard is a 1978 graduate of Gateway High School in Aurora, Colorado. She graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1982 and from the Army’s Command and General Staff College in 1998, with a Masters in Military Arts and Sciences.
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/bios/bio.asp?bioID=394
 
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