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Does Trump have the evidence?

SmilinSilhouette

Registered Member
Does Trump have the evidence about the mysterious Barry Soetoro?

TRUMP UNCOVERS TRUTH ABOUT OBAMA > Citizens 4 Freedom

I wonder if the MSM will continue to run interference for this guy or if they will really investigate his past.

No, I really don't wonder.
 
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dDave

Well-Known Member
V.I.P.
All I have to say is well done Trump.

Hopefully he is able to get something a little more that will give this story a much bigger push. Personally I've never believed that he was born in the U.S. I did know that his original name was Barry though.
 

Ilus_Unistus

Registered Member
This article is dated April 7? I have heard nothing of this is the media yet, is it not as valid as it says?

Also, in Obama's birth certificate conflict, doesn't his birth certificate say his name is Barrack Obama?

I view this with uncertainty and am a little skeptical how Obama could make such a fraud happen to the level it has.
 

Merc

Problematic Shitlord
V.I.P.
I say this because I can't remember how often I've seen so many people so excited and thrilled at the possibility that someone may be a Disney-quality super villain. Here we are presented with a very impressive narrative, one driven by solid opinion supported by no citations that can be summed up simply as "Nightmare Porn". It's a phenomena that is not new but is seeing somewhat of a resurgence lately. This concept that the 'author' is presenting is nothing more than yet another conspiracy theory about Barack Obama's birth. Which in and of itself, I find questionably racist since we have never had such heated arguments over any else's birth certificates. I hate bringing race even into the discussion, but you have to admit it seems like an affected variable here since I can't think of many other reasons people would question his country of origin unless they're really that desperate to get dirt on him.

I'm also not sure why this would cause any media outlet that isn't a fringe outlet or extremist blog to take notice as it is itself, from an extremist blog and not to mention, complete hearsay with no evidence or facts to back it up. It's about as believable as this which was a hoax that ran long enough that a lot of people actually believe it now.
 

SmilinSilhouette

Registered Member
@ Ilus: Until some verifiable evidence surfaces, I consider this a lot of speculation. Obama's original birth certificate (NOT the computer generated one) has never been released, so we don't know what is on it. Obama "the transparent" has never allowed the release of many records such as his long form birth certificate and college records. That is why people wonder just what it is he's trying to hide.

@ Merc: :lol: Yep, same old tactic. Call those who bring it up "racist" and dismiss it. Then write:
"I hate bringing race even into the discussion,"

But follow up with:
"but you have to admit it seems like an affected variable here since I can't think of many other reasons people would question his country of origin unless they're really that desperate to get dirt on him."

As if that gets you off the hook for playing the race card and is the only credible explanation as to why anyone would have any question about the inconsistencies and omissions in the story of Barry Soetoro aka. Barack Obama.
 

PretzelCorps

Registered Member
@ Ilus: Until some verifiable evidence surfaces, I consider this a lot of speculation. Obama's original birth certificate (NOT the computer generated one) has never been released, so we don't know what is on it. Obama "[strike]the transparent[/strike]" "[red]the guy who doesn't who doesn't want to break his own state's laws[/red]" has never allowed the release of many records such as his long form birth certificate and college records. That is why people wonder just what it is [strike]he's[/strike] [red]the State of Hawaii[/red] trying to hide.
Fixed, as I understand it.

@ Merc: :lol: Yep, same old tactic. Call those who bring it up "racist" and dismiss it. Then write:
"I hate bringing race even into the discussion,"

But follow up with:
"but you have to admit it seems like an affected variable here since I can't think of many other reasons people would question his country of origin unless they're really that desperate to get dirt on him."

As if that gets you off the hook for playing the race card and is the only credible explanation as to why anyone would have any question about the inconsistencies and omissions in the story of Barry Soetoro aka. Barack Obama.
What else is he supposed to think? Clinton was a Democrat interested in social services like government healthcare, and nobody questioned his birthplace for the entire administration. Sure, they were questions worth asking at first maybe, but I really can't believe this stuff has carried on as long as it has, and that people are still buying it.

And speaking of tactics, while the race card is very often used as an argumentative tactic, I've also noticed that vilifying-the-race-card, and pretending that race was never actually an issue in the US, has become an extremely prevalent tactic as well.
 
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Smelnick

Creeping On You
V.I.P.
@ Ilus: Until some verifiable evidence surfaces, I consider this a lot of speculation. Obama's original birth certificate (NOT the computer generated one) has never been released, so we don't know what is on it. Obama "the transparent" has never allowed the release of many records such as his long form birth certificate and college records. That is why people wonder just what it is he's trying to hide.

@ Merc: :lol: Yep, same old tactic. Call those who bring it up "racist" and dismiss it. Then write:
"I hate bringing race even into the discussion,"

But follow up with:
"but you have to admit it seems like an affected variable here since I can't think of many other reasons people would question his country of origin unless they're really that desperate to get dirt on him."

As if that gets you off the hook for playing the race card and is the only credible explanation as to why anyone would have any question about the inconsistencies and omissions in the story of Barry Soetoro aka. Barack Obama.
Do you have an actual rebuttal to Merc's post or are you merely commenting on his debating tactics? If you remember, the staff have implemented new rules in regards to pointless/offtopic posts, and merely commenting on someones debate tactics is not allowed. The only reason this post is good is because of the first half. I don't say this to single you out of course, I merely quote you because it contains a good example of what Wade and I don't wish to see anymore.

Respond to the points he makes, and offer your own counter arguments. Don't simply made remarks like 'oh, same old tactic' or 'typical of you'. They only serve to derail threads and piss people off.

Thankyou,
Smelnick

edit: also, please don't respond to this post in this thread please. If you have questions please PM me.
 
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Iris

rainbow 11!
I don't know. reading the first part of the article and browsing the site, they seem like an extremely biased news source. Granted, I haven't put anything extensive into so I could be wrong.

I'm taking that article with a grain of salt, and everyone else should too.
 

PretzelCorps

Registered Member
Trump is correct, Barry Soetoro, AKA Obama is hiding something in his past that is very bad... and it may not be his citizenship. (Trump would not say this if he did not know something and he has the money to get the dirt...)

As an IRS tax examiner,one of many former federal jobs, I have seen what it appears Barry Soetoro has done, mostly by illegal aliens attempting to acquire a new identity in the U.S and/or criminals looking to acquire a new ID.
:lol: Heck, nevermind the content, this 'source' looks like it was edited by a five-year-old. Check out the wandering comma in the second paragraph there.

And the entire thing is predicated on this reasoning, an assumption of unabated honesty in someone politically involved: "Trump would not say this if he did not know something and he has the money to get the dirt..."

YES. YES HE WOULD.
 
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Wade8813

Registered Member
Does Trump have the evidence about the mysterious Barry Soetoro?

TRUMP UNCOVERS TRUTH ABOUT OBAMA > Citizens 4 Freedom

I wonder if the MSM will continue to run interference for this guy or if they will really investigate his past.

No, I really don't wonder.
Do we have reason to believe any of this? Is there even any evidence that Trump believes any of this?

You can't call it a mainstream media coverup if there's not a str

What else is he supposed to think? Clinton was a Democrat interested in social services like government healthcare, and nobody questioned his birthplace for the entire administration. Sure, they were questions worth asking at first maybe, but I really can't believe this stuff has carried on as long as it has, and that people are still buying it.
Maybe Clinton had all of the standard documentation? :dunno:
 
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