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Does it really matter?

Babe_Ruth

Sultan of Swat
Staff member
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With this whole Weiner-gate thing coming out, I was thinking does it really matter if they have affairs, or send pictures like these ones? I'm not trying to pick on Weiner, because obviously there were others(Bill Clinton) but since he's the recent one I'm using him has an example.

I know Double S said in the other thread that some people can use this type of stuff to blackmail the Politicians which can be dangerous, but I was wondering about the overall picture. Does it really matter what they do in there personal life?
 

shelgarr

Registered Member
I would generally say "no" it doesn't. Once made public though (through whatever means), it becomes a matter of truth or lies. The truth can be career ending, but the lies are immoral, a show of questionable ethics, and most importantly against the rules in a court of law.
 

SmilinSilhouette

Registered Member
ABSOLUTELY YES! It may be the only thing that truly matters, in this context:

It is the content of a person's character that matters. Not their sex, race, creed, color, class, or political party/ideology. Their character is best discerned by their actions (not words) and associations.

The sooner in life one figures out these truths, the better off they will be.
 

CaptainObvious

Embrace the Suck
V.I.P.
Generally speaking, no. If I found out tomorrow Ronald Reagan had an affair it wouldn't change my mind about how I feel about him as a president. It does not matter to me. What bothered me about Clinton was the prejury, afterall perjury is a felony, and what bothers me about Weiner is sending these photographs to 6 different women. If he was sleeping with a staffer in and of itself it wouldn't really bother me. That's something between him and his wife. What bothered me about Edwards, btw, is the campaign money allegedly paid to her.
 

Millz

Better Call Saul
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V.I.P.
Do I care what people do in their personal lives? No, I don't. I don't care if pro athletes are having sex with multiple people and I don't care if politicians do the same thing. I wish we didn't need to hear about all that because I could give a crap about it.
 

Dabs

Registered Member
Generally speaking, no. If I found out tomorrow Ronald Reagan had an affair it wouldn't change my mind about how I feel about him as a president. It does not matter to me. What bothered me about Clinton was the prejury, afterall perjury is a felony, and what bothers me about Weiner is sending these photographs to 6 different women. If he was sleeping with a staffer in and of itself it wouldn't really bother me. That's something between him and his wife. What bothered me about Edwards, btw, is the campaign money allegedly paid to her.
This.

What they do in their personal life is really of no concern to me, I could care less. I've probably done worse things, it's just I'm not in the public eye, cause I'm not running for any political office-yet! :lol:
 

Unity

Living in Ikoria
Staff member
I'M NOT SURE! I'm really on the fence with this issue, lol. On one hand, I think that it's their personal lives and trouble with marriages isn't mutually exclusive with trouble with political conduct. There's no way to prove that. On the other hand, I do think it hurts their integrity especially when lying to the public about what had happened. So as Steg pointed out in the Weiner-gate thread, it would be a different ballgame if the guy would have come out right away and been honest.

However, there's definitely a part of me that says the same thing Millz does in his post.

It's one of those issues on which I haven't totally decided.
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ABSOLUTELY YES! It may be the only thing that truly matters, in this context:

It is the content of a person's character that matters. Not their sex, race, creed, color, class, or political party/ideology. Their character is best discerned by their actions (not words) and associations.

The sooner in life one figures out these truths, the better off they will be.
Generally speaking, no. If I found out tomorrow Ronald Reagan had an affair it wouldn't change my mind about how I feel about him as a president. It does not matter to me. What bothered me about Clinton was the prejury, afterall perjury is a felony, and what bothers me about Weiner is sending these photographs to 6 different women. If he was sleeping with a staffer in and of itself it wouldn't really bother me. That's something between him and his wife. What bothered me about Edwards, btw, is the campaign money allegedly paid to her.
Also, just to play devil's advocate to your guys' posts...if the fact of doing these things at all (in SS's post) and the amount of women involved (in CO's post), then why is Newt Gingrich being allowed into the campaign for President in the first place? He had multiple wives and multiple affairs over the years. It seems that time forgives these transgressions in some cases. So just adding an interesting thought to it, not only for those currently in office but should it matter for those running for office?

Newt Gingrich: Marriages, Divorces, Affairs Timeline
 
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shelgarr

Registered Member
Also, just to play devil's advocate to your guys' posts...if the fact of doing these things at all (in SS's post) and the amount of women involved (in CO's post), then why is Newt Gingrich being allowed into the campaign for President in the first place? He had multiple wives and multiple affairs over the years. It seems that time forgives these transgressions in some cases. So just adding an interesting thought to it, not only for those currently in office but should it matter for those running for office?

Newt Gingrich: Marriages, Divorces, Affairs Timeline
Not to speak for them, but I doubt either supports Gingrich. Nor do I (however I don't bear in mind his indiscretions). But a good point to make here is that political support isn't blind amongst conservatives where I dare say liberals often find excuses for their side no matter how dispicable the person might be.
 

SmilinSilhouette

Registered Member
Great question U!

So here is a snapshot of my logic, for better or worse. I believe that my personal integrity matters, that it is reflected in my deeds, and that by extension those that I associate myself with reflect my own integrity. This is not to say I expect perfection or that redemption is not possible. if I choose to associate myself with people of poor character then that diminishes my credibility. It is also a bad influence upon me. I would be remiss if I do not recognize major flaws in my associates and disassociate myself with them. I can think of many examples but I will give you a personal one.

I had a "friend" who, when I was around him, would constantly tell lies to others. A lot of little unnecessary lies like telling them he was doing something he wasn't doing. Wouldn't I be a fool to expect this person to tell me the truth?

So isn't it then also important to apply that same judgement to people who represent our country and handle our affairs?

Now I'm not saying that every elected official's personal life is my business. It's not. But if I have the information I would be a fool to ignore it.
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Oh I forgot about Newt. No I don't support him, his character is one of the factors, and his past indiscretions impact my opinion of him.
 
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icegoat63

Son of Liberty
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I have two stances that sort of Parallel each other on the situation.

On one hand... I could care less. Its not like he had a huge stash of child porn or something. Instead it was a bad underwear model style picture (so I've heard). Really not that big of a deal, I've taken far worse just to see what it would look like from that Angle.

Then on the other hand... There is a sense of professionalism that has to go hand in hand with a public position that politicians are in. They have to understand that their privacy is next to nonexistent and these types of things will get out and they will cause harm to your cause. Taking that into consideration, the lapse of judgement to allow yourself to be put in that situation is very bad news. Because if you have a lapse of judgement in protecting yourself... what kind of lapse in judgments would you be capable of in protecting your constituents.
 
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