Does Humanity need God

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by HappyFace, May 28, 2009.

  1. HappyFace

    HappyFace Registered Member

    Do we really need a God anymore?

    I mean havn't we mature enough as a species to understand that things happen for differnet reasons besides "God did it"

    I'm not saying that anyone is ignorant or stupid for believing that there are unnatural forces guiding us but it just seems as though the whole "god" phenomenon was created because we didn't quite understand what was going and why things happen the way they do.

    We have gone from saying that Illness was caused by evil spirits to modern medicine, does that say a little about where we are heading.

    It's nice to have a spirutual inclination to your life but basing entire life desicions upon fear of some magic sky daddy just isn't the way I believe people should be living their lives.
     

  2. MenInTights

    MenInTights not a plastic bag

    That's an interesting example. It was Jesus (God) who said illness was not caused by evil spirits:

    And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

    So, man in our wisdom came up with the idea that evil spirits caused illness and God corrected us. Its why the Red Cross is a Christian organization and not some other religion.
     
  3. pro2A

    pro2A Hell, It's about time!

    In our Republic, God is a necessary legal concept. This is not a Democracy, it is a Representative Constitutional Republic and there is a big difference. So many of the Socialists out there want God out of everything in our public life for a reason... It is not just that the idea of God makes them uncomfortable personally, God is a major speed bump on their super highway to their "super state". Why you ask?

    Our founding fathers (documents) set forth that our rights as humans that were given to us before government was ever created. Those rights cannot be abridged (at least easily), they come from God and are inalienable. If you drive God out of the mix and rights will flow from government. Once that happens government will alter and abridge those rights because they can. See the IRS, gun regulations ans private property rights for examples of this.

    Whether God exists or not he is necessary for the maintenance of freedom. So yes, humanity needs God to maintain itself (freedom).

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  4. HappyFace

    HappyFace Registered Member

    Freedom.

    It's just my feeling that there isn't much freedom in having God.

    Since he knows everything that can be known and he already knows what I'm going to do, when I'm going to die and such it just feels as though what's the point since everything has been predetermined for me.

    Also, I find it weird that you mention our rights since Religion in it's history has thoroughly tried to deny peoples rights, since you're not apart of one religion then that religions finds you inferior and your rights as a human being are not as important as the follows of this religion.

    I just believe that we as a people should be able to move on past a God.
     
  5. Wade8813

    Wade8813 Registered Member

    You can't have it both ways. If God exists (or even is a reasonable belief), then it makes sense that people would believe that God did it. If God exists or is reasonable to believe in, then it's reasonable to make decisions based on that fact.

    If on the other hand it's not reasonable to believe in God, then you ARE calling people ignorant or stupid (Just for the record - being ignorant isn't always a bad thing. Everyone's ignorant about a lot of things. I'm ignorant about quantum physics, for example).
    Even if God knows what you're going to do, that doesn't necessarily mean you didn't have a choice.

    In order for God to know what you're going to do, that means that at some point, your actions must be determined - but that point doesn't have to be before you decide how you'll act. Many people believe that God is outside time, which just means that he's observing everything simultaneously, and that's how He can know it ahead of time - because it's not ahead of time for Him (there are other possibilities, but I don't want to confuse things).

    Question - is it the religion that does this? Or just followers of the religion? People do all sorts of things that aren't advocated by the Bible/Koran/etc. Don't confuse the message and the messenger.
     
  6. Steerpike

    Steerpike Registered Member

    This question assumes that there ever was a need for this non-existent entity. It is not necessary to believe in fantasy.

    There is no "force" outside of nature.

    If people don't believe in the fantasy of "God, " then people can believe in reality. :lol:
     
  7. CaptainObvious

    CaptainObvious Son of Liberty V.I.P.

    Completely untrue. It was a belief that rights are derived from God and not from the government that led to the creation of a government that protected those rights.
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    You can if you wish to, why would you think everyone else should?
     
    Last edited: May 29, 2009
  8. Steerpike

    Steerpike Registered Member

    Start with irrelevant appeal to authority and end with irrelevant appeal to consequences. So much logical fallacy. :lol:

    "God" is not a necessary legal concept.

    Rights do not ultimately come from sheets of paper or imaginary entities or "founding fathers."
     
  9. HappyFace

    HappyFace Registered Member

    I agree that I do not word my posts very well I didn't mean that everyone should lead away from God I was merely commenting on an evolutionary chain, how we as people are moving on and maybe God is the next thing to go.

    I am an Atheist but it'd be fairly hypocritical of me to tell people to leave God and then get angry when they tell me to believe in God.
     
  10. Byss

    Byss Registered Member

    I feel that organized religion is just a tool for crowd control.

    But on the God topic. I'm leaning back and forth, I'm nut sure if God exists, what His name might be, if He's even a man, if there's more than one; no one really can know for sure.

    I think that human kind should just stop and think for a moment. Humans don't understand God. They have never understood God. We may some time in the future, but we should stop trying now. Just think about how many lives we'll save if we do this.

    Just think, I mean really, if there is a God and this God really wanted us to understand Him, don't you think he'd give EVERY human some sort of ability to understand Him? I think that if He wanted us to understand, He'd help us to do so.

    But that's my views, everyone has their own.
     

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