Do the Bad Guys ever win? (Antagonist) *possible spoilers*

Discussion in 'Anime' started by Swiftstrike, Dec 14, 2006.

  1. Swiftstrike

    Swiftstrike Registered Member

    Last night after watching an episode of Fafner before they were about to embark on an epic battle. I thought of the question "Have the bad guys ever actually win?"

    I suppose by win I mean defeat/kill the hero and then continues his conquest of world domination or wherever his asperations sit. Also once our hero is defeated its over the series ends with the antagonists getting their way.

    I ran through a mental list of animes I've seen and I could not think of one. In the end the bad guy is stopped (sometimes the hero is killed in the process) but so is the villian.

    Has anyone seen ANY animes where the villian is the victor and the hero dies or walks away in defeat because I havent.

  2. oxyMORON

    oxyMORON A Darker Knight

    Well in Dragonball, Z especially, the heroes get killed many times over. It's those pesky dragonballs that keep reviving them back.
  3. Kos4Evr

    Kos4Evr Registered Member

    I'm guessing you've never seen the end of Evangelion. I won't spoil it for you.
  4. oxyMORON

    oxyMORON A Darker Knight

    Well I'm guessing the bad guy wins?
  5. I dunno. . . Gendo, the only guy who came close to "winning" didn't fulfill his main goal of getting his wife back (err, well, in a human form that would stay with him). Third Impact did happen, so does that mean Rei/Lilith won?
  6. Swiftstrike

    Swiftstrike Registered Member

    Actually I did see Evangelion and I did see End of Eva. Gendo did not fullfill his task and Shinji chose the path of individuality as oppose with merging with all the others. And free will was given for individuals to merge back into the "goo" (cannot remember for the life of me what its called) or to pursue indivuality.

    I read enough about the ending to actually grasp it and determined it was a "happy" ending. And if we look at the bad guys so to speak the angels were all destroyed...gendo's plot was the antagonists did not win...

    DBZ with them being revived the bad guys didnt win.

    I want a 26 episode anime where our hero has died and there is no chance of winning the fight against our villian. Anything like that guys?
  7. Iris

    Iris rainbow 11!

    You know what....? I can't think of a single thing. Hmmm.... I might look into this and see if I come up with anything.
  8. BigBlue

    BigBlue ----------------------

    in wrestling aka WWE, bad guys win all the time and trust me its just as good as a storyline movie or show.... *acted out cough...

    and the bad wrestlers never get matched up with other "unpopular" wrestlers...
    well the majority of the time they dont.
  9. Swiftstrike

    Swiftstrike Registered Member

    I mean I think an anime with the bad guy winning would be a GOOD idea if its never been done.

    Although deep down inside I would hate to see our hero/heroine die or fail but how rememberable would that anime be?

    Also how many Anti-Heroes do you see in animes?
  10. Malificus

    Malificus Likes snow

    The antagonists win in Princess Nine. But that's a sports anime, so I'm not sure it counts. None the less in the end, despite the teams hard work, the protagonists lose.

    However, like with any sports anime, their bonds are stronger than ever and they will be all the stronger next year, and all that stuff.

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