Do "pro-choice" people really support this?

MenInTights

not a plastic bag
#31
The legislation isn't supposed to be passed. It is supposed to cause controversy. Get people riled up.
I disagree. Voting the repeal ObamaCare over and over when Obama is President is meant to cause controversy.
This is very different. A governor stated clearly that he supports a law that states if a baby survives an abortion, the doctor and mother can decide its life. The Senate proposed a bill that a doctor cannot do that without facing consequences. Its a simple bill. There is no poison pill. It doesn't touch Roe v. Wade.
I honestly believed until a few weeks ago that almost everybody in America felt the same. I hope its just the Democrat Party and not 40% of people.
 

dDave

Guardian of the Light
V.I.P.
#32
The senate shot down a bill that would protect babies that survived an abortion and were born anyway. 44 Democrats voted no.

Their position on baby rights is stunningly depraved.

They fully support citizenship being granted to kids born to illegals. Somehow they don’t support citizenship and basic rights being granted to babies that are born to citizens if an abortion procedure is botched. They are ok with the baby being killed in that scenario. You couldn’t name something more evil to me.

They are slowly showing us just how far they’re willing to go. It’s disgusting and far more extreme than originally thought by most.

So much for safe, legal, and rare.

These guys are subhuman debris. They will answer to God one day for the darkness in their hearts.
 
#33
I read an article recently in the paper that referred to pro-lifer's as "anti-choice". I suppose that means pro-choicer's are "anti-life". Well what the hell, let's just make it so parents can off their offspring at any age. It would be an efficient means of population control and the ultimate expression of pro-choice. I mean seriously, if a child's life is considered to have no value in the womb then what difference does being exposed to the atmosphere make? Just kill 'em. Kill 'em all. Kill Kill Kill! They want a tattoo at 11? Kill 'em. They dent the car at 17? Off 'em. They want to pull the plug on you when you're on life support? Well, you waited too long, it's your own fault. What's the point of letting children live? So they can deal with the debt, pollution, and shit left to them by prior generations? Offing them is a mercy. Make sure not to miss any. Their screaming gives me a headache.


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MenInTights

not a plastic bag
#34
Alabama votes to ban nearly all abortions including in rape and incest cases

To me, this is the compromise on the abortion issue. On one hand you have states like NY that allow abortions up to birth. On the other end you have states like AL that have outlawed the practice. States rights. I would like to see every state pass the AL law. But I realize to get to where you want to be, you have to allow compromise.
Let all sides have their way on the local level. Even with the horrible laws of NY and VA, it gives me hope that we can survive as a country and can compromise.
 

Impaired

Registered Member
#35
Sadly, it is a proven fact that abortion laws stop poor people from having abortions in safe, sterile settings. Rich people have it done in nice clinics. Poor people are forced to go to back alley medics, usually not doctors and then show up in the emergency room bleeding out. My mother in law, a life time Republican and RN saw the results of this first hand. Despite loathing the idea of abortion, she was a realist.
 
#36
Why abortion over adoption? "It's my right to choose what to do with MY body." is the line so often heard by pro-choice women, but as soon as there's a second heartbeat inside you and brain activity from a separate CNS it isn't "Your body" you're making choices for anymore. It's a separate, living, thinking, feeling human being. I am not a bleeding heart liberal, but I am an egalitarian and the unborn are people too regardless of what cold blooded people put down on paper stating otherwise. Certainly, if carrying a child to term poses a medical risk to the mother, that's different, but the attitude that human life should be arbitrarily extinguished because it may be inconvenient or financially challenging is abhorrent to me as it should be to anyone with a shred of empathy.


Instead of investing vast amounts of tax dollars into making abortion cheap and accessible to everyone, perhaps those funds would better be spent assisting poor women with what they need to carry a new precious human to term and delivering them into the hands of loving couples unable to have children of their own. And also to better educating young people about responsible sexual behavior and making contraceptive technologies cheaper and more accessible. These are not just giant internal skin tags, they are human beings who deserve the same chance at life and opportunity to love and be loved that you had.
 

CaptainObvious

Son of Liberty
V.I.P.
#37
Sadly, it is a proven fact that abortion laws stop poor people from having abortions in safe, sterile settings. Rich people have it done in nice clinics. Poor people are forced to go to back alley medics, usually not doctors and then show up in the emergency room bleeding out. My mother in law, a life time Republican and RN saw the results of this first hand. Despite loathing the idea of abortion, she was a realist.
So in other words, even if it becomes illegal, they will still have abortions done? As an advocate for the Second Amendment and someone who opposes all these "gun control laws", I find this post ironic.

EDIT: And you really can't say it's a proven fact, given that abortion has been legal in the United States since 1972, and thus what you are alleging here hasn't been happening. In other words, IF there are laws prohibiting abortions, then rich people will be having them done where poor people are having them done. Since there aren't laws prohibiting abortions, what you described hasn't been happening.
 
#38
The laws will be passed. The economic, medical, psychological, and social impacts of abortion in the United States will always be ignored in favor of politics. Abortion is a business and businesses exist to make money. Never mind ethics or even common sense. Since abortion has become legal in the US the number of babies born premature has practically doubled (From 6.6% to over 12%) many of which severely premature, and the miscarriage rate has also shot up because the medical risks of abortion have been understated and in most cases completely denied. Even ignoring the fact that abortion is in effect murder being performed on a mass scale, the economic impact of post abortion pregnancies resulting in premature birth (Babies who will in many cases suffer lifelong chronic illnesses) is immense. From a purely dollars and cents perspective, it just doesn't make sense. Well it does to the companies performing the abortions who will lobby like mad for a "Woman's right to choose" while in most cases telling these women that abortion is completely safe, easy, and consequence free. It isn't.

For a deeper look into the stats related to the medical and long term psychological impacts of abortion, I'd suggest watching the documentary "Hush". It's a real eyeopener, and no, it's not just a bunch of pro-life propaganda, in fact it was created by a pro-choice advocate.

When murder becomes profitable, who will stand in the way of "progress"?
 
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#39
The laws will be passed. The economic, medical, psychological, and social impacts of abortion in the United States will always be ignored in favor of politics. Abortion is a business and businesses exist to make money. Never mind ethics or even common sense. Since abortion has become legal in the US the number of babies born premature has practically doubled (From 6.6% to over 12%) many of which severely premature, and the miscarriage rate has also shot up because the medical risks of abortion have been understated and in most cases completely denied. Even ignoring the fact that abortion is in effect murder being performed on a mass scale, the economic impact of post abortion pregnancies resulting in premature birth (Babies who will in many cases suffer lifelong chronic illnesses) is immense. From a purely dollars and cents perspective, it just doesn't make sense. Well it does to the companies performing the abortions who will lobby like mad for a "Woman's right to choose" while in most cases telling these women that abortion is completely safe, easy, and consequence free. It isn't.

For a deeper look into the stats related to the medical and long term psychological impacts of abortion, I'd suggest watching the documentary "Hush". It's a real eyeopener, and no, it's not just a bunch of pro-life propaganda, in fact it was created by a pro-choice advocate.

When murder becomes profitable, who will stand in the way of "progress"?
Wow, thanks for the recommendation. I've never heard of hush but will check it out.
 
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