Crazy liberal talk

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washingtonpost.com
Documentary filmmaker Errol Morris writes on huffingtonpost.com: "While I was working on Standard Operating Procedure, many people asked about 'the smoking gun.' 'Have you found the smoking gun? Have you found the smoking gun? -- presumably linking the abuses to the upper levels of the Defense Department and to the White House?' The question puzzles me. There are smoking guns everywhere but people don't see them, refuse to see them or pretend they don't exist. How many torture memos does an administration have to promulgate before the public gets the idea they are promulgating torture? Bush has recently admitted that he was present at these meetings and approved 'harsh interrogation techniques.' And yet this has scarcely been a news story. Well-documented attempts to subvert the Constitution, abrogation of the Geneva Conventions and simple human decency. What does it take?

"We are surrounded by smoking guns on all sides. Crimes have been committed; we have ample evidence of them. But there can be no justice if there is a failure to stand up for it, if we fail to demand it. . . .

"It is easy to dismiss all of this as the unfortunate product of war. But this is not about war, it is about us. How complacent have we become? What does it take? Each day that we allow these crimes to go unanswered erodes the very ideals that this country stands for."
Yeah, yeah. But Bush is omnipotent, you see. That's why he's been able to deftly trick everyone up till now. So how can anyone hope to do anything about it? I mean - be reasonable here.
 

MenInTights

not a plastic bag
#2
this is the thing. One of the few things Americans agree on is we want enemy combatates tortured. I mean, we don't admit it. But, if it means getting information to end the war and/or prevent attacks, we don't care.

Do it - get the info you need - don't tell us about it. That's the American motto.
 

Kazmarov

For a Free Scotland
#3
One of the few things Americans agree on is we want enemy combatates tortured. I mean, we don't admit it.
I'd rather you not speak on my behalf. I'm more than capable of doing so.
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Yeah, I'm amazed that Gitmo/Abu Gharib/torture/indefinite detainment/black sites keep rolling in, and still the press assume that another little story is suddenly going to awaken Americans to what's going on.
 

MenInTights

not a plastic bag
#4
I'd rather you not speak on my behalf. I'm more than capable of doing so.
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lol - thats funny.

I actually had a friend that I greatly trust give me some stories this weekend from legitimate news outlets about the toture cases. And I can see where there is a rule of law issue here.
At the same time, Bush's approval ratings are around 25%, so there's clearly no one standing up for Bush on this. Its just that as a whole nobody cares. Well - I mean you do, but black, white, democrat, republican.....you can't point to a group of people. Generally speaking, we want a Jack Bauer.
 
#5
..Too bad you don't exist only in a fictional TV- series that runs on FOX.

Of course - it's not about getting the information, is it - it's about revenge. Just like the Twin Towers were seen as an attack on all things american, and a wound on the national ego - it's about general national revenge towards an epic, non- descript enemy.