ReasontoBelieve
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The thread “What was the real relation between science and the Church?” was opened when I was typing up my answer. So if I can please still put my answer here it is.. So the beginning of my answer is answering Mikiel..
I thought it was great you were able to prove that science can lead us back to God. . But are you saying you don't believe Christianity? Well of course that would be not acknowledging how these churches were being about to those who studied and practice Science because you can’t bring in the Church aspect without including Early American Christians. Let's remember that Catholics had issues against Christians as much as Galileo the astronomer. In fact many Christians were tortured under Roman like rulers and including Herod the great, and Nero. Should it be surprising the catholic Church would also be against this astronomer that could agree in a Christian like view of how the universe was created?. .
Therefore Catholics and Christians are separate on the issues how God relates to science in any way form or fashion. . The Catholic Church has changed the book of Revelation to clear their name of being innocent and instead Judea as the criminal instead of Rome. It was easy for them to put all the blame on Nero. For this is why we teach in different Churched with different theology and doctrines.
Christianity is not a faith mostly proven by scientific extrapolations. The Bible however does include enough visible evidence why we can not disprove God’s existence. If one can only believe Science can prove God but God yet does not have a voice of his own. Then God is pretty powerless and inferior even to science. . And therefore to believe God has no say God would also have to follow the scientific laws as well. Which then would make God a moral man and would make him not to be God at all. . Because Atheists want to prove that science can exist without and especially Christianity. .
Where does this all come from?. . The Devil has told this lie for thousands of years. . He said as God told you to not seek the knowledge of this world. God is trying to hide something from you. Let me give you this worldly knowledge that you may consume. . In Eden it was the tree of knowledge for that Eve and Adam had eaten. Today the knowledge is anywhere where it can be found. The lie says only by science God can be proved or disproved. And only by science can reveal all of Gods’ truth within scientific laws alone. .
So then it would therefore not matter about the church anymore. For if science has begun in the church then the church has begun at Christianity. And that was from Jesus. And Jesus is of the Jews. And he came from the line of Abraham. Even from the line of David. . So just as science can not disprove God neither can science disprove that Christianity is a false belief system. . Neither does Christianity try to prove that Science is a false teaching. . Rather it is only as the Catholics that Christians believe in Science and that God must be it creator.
But God is even greater to teach us things more than what Science is able to do itself. . That is what makes God to be God. For he is greater than science himself. Science itself just as God created things for the purpose of man kind. Even though the bible has given us instructions how we are to live according to his purpose. We are considered his greatest creation outside and among Angels. . Because if Christianity is pushed out of the way then also the Church is removed. And if the Church is removed out of history then science began all on its own and making this pretty much an atheist view point on world views of creation. . For God who was never able to express his thoughts is just as good as saying there is no God at all. . . The Lord chose man to help take care of the Earth and by doing so God handed to us sound and sure instructions to carry those purposes out. . For if parents love their children they will teach that child where to go. In likewise as children of God he will teach us how to live and where we should go. .
Psalms 32:8
8 I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go;
I will guide you with My eye.
I thought it was great you were able to prove that science can lead us back to God. . But are you saying you don't believe Christianity? Well of course that would be not acknowledging how these churches were being about to those who studied and practice Science because you can’t bring in the Church aspect without including Early American Christians. Let's remember that Catholics had issues against Christians as much as Galileo the astronomer. In fact many Christians were tortured under Roman like rulers and including Herod the great, and Nero. Should it be surprising the catholic Church would also be against this astronomer that could agree in a Christian like view of how the universe was created?. .
Therefore Catholics and Christians are separate on the issues how God relates to science in any way form or fashion. . The Catholic Church has changed the book of Revelation to clear their name of being innocent and instead Judea as the criminal instead of Rome. It was easy for them to put all the blame on Nero. For this is why we teach in different Churched with different theology and doctrines.
Christianity is not a faith mostly proven by scientific extrapolations. The Bible however does include enough visible evidence why we can not disprove God’s existence. If one can only believe Science can prove God but God yet does not have a voice of his own. Then God is pretty powerless and inferior even to science. . And therefore to believe God has no say God would also have to follow the scientific laws as well. Which then would make God a moral man and would make him not to be God at all. . Because Atheists want to prove that science can exist without and especially Christianity. .
Where does this all come from?. . The Devil has told this lie for thousands of years. . He said as God told you to not seek the knowledge of this world. God is trying to hide something from you. Let me give you this worldly knowledge that you may consume. . In Eden it was the tree of knowledge for that Eve and Adam had eaten. Today the knowledge is anywhere where it can be found. The lie says only by science God can be proved or disproved. And only by science can reveal all of Gods’ truth within scientific laws alone. .
So then it would therefore not matter about the church anymore. For if science has begun in the church then the church has begun at Christianity. And that was from Jesus. And Jesus is of the Jews. And he came from the line of Abraham. Even from the line of David. . So just as science can not disprove God neither can science disprove that Christianity is a false belief system. . Neither does Christianity try to prove that Science is a false teaching. . Rather it is only as the Catholics that Christians believe in Science and that God must be it creator.
But God is even greater to teach us things more than what Science is able to do itself. . That is what makes God to be God. For he is greater than science himself. Science itself just as God created things for the purpose of man kind. Even though the bible has given us instructions how we are to live according to his purpose. We are considered his greatest creation outside and among Angels. . Because if Christianity is pushed out of the way then also the Church is removed. And if the Church is removed out of history then science began all on its own and making this pretty much an atheist view point on world views of creation. . For God who was never able to express his thoughts is just as good as saying there is no God at all. . . The Lord chose man to help take care of the Earth and by doing so God handed to us sound and sure instructions to carry those purposes out. . For if parents love their children they will teach that child where to go. In likewise as children of God he will teach us how to live and where we should go. .
Psalms 32:8
8 I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go;
I will guide you with My eye.