8 year-old bride (groom is 50+)

ysabel

/ˈɪzəˌbɛl/ pink 5
#1
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Young Saudi girl's marriage ended

Young Saudi girl's marriage ended


Media reports say an arranged marriage between a Saudi girl aged eight and a man in his 50s has been annulled, in a case attracting worldwide criticism.

The Saudi Gazette says the divorce was agreed in an out-of-court settlement after a judge rejected two attempts to grant the girl a divorce.

The case prompted Saudi officials to say it would start regulating the marriages of young girls.

Rights groups say some Saudi families marry off young daughters for money.

The judge who first heard the case in the town of Unaiza refused to end the marriage at the request of the girl's mother, but he stipulated the groom could not have sex with the girl until she reached puberty.


The girl's father is said to have married her off against her mother's wishes to a close friend in order that he could pay off a debt.

A new judge was appointed to oversee the case, who issued the annulment after the husband finally gave up his insistence that the marriage had been legal, reports say.

Saudi Arabia implements an austere form of Sunni Islam that bans free association between the sexes and gives fathers the right to wed their children to whomever they deem fit.

Saudi commentators pointed out that the marriage took place in the central province of Qaseem - the heartland of Saudi Islamic fundamentalism.

Earlier this year, the country's highest religious authority, the Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Shaikh, said it was not against Islamic law to marry off girls who are 15 and younger.

On 15 April, after this case generated considerable negative publicity, Justice Minister Muhammad Issa in which parents and guardians could marry off their young daughters. However, he he did not say that the practice would be banned.
Arranged marriages? That doesn't surprise me. I know some who have been in one.

What interests me in this article is the age of bride. Why would someone want an 8yo bride? And this man is in his 50s, although I saw another article related to this in which they say he's in his 60s...either way, you cannot disregard the generation gap here.

Father's decision trumps mother's decision? Not only that, it was to pay off a debt. :stare:

I wonder how common these cases are over there and in other countries. I'm glad I don't live in a place where this is allowed. The good side to the story is that the marriage was finally annulled (thanks to public outrage).
 

Lesley

Registered Member
#2
The first thing that came to my mind was WHAT THE F*CK IS WRONG WITH THAT GIRL'S FATHER?

He should be brought up on charges, as should the "groom". Sick bastards. And of course the father's decision trumps the mother's. Women are merely property over there.
 
Last edited:

Nixola

Boom Boom Pow!
#3
This is pretty extreme. It's horrible that he can just sell her off to whomever he sees fit just to pay off a debt.

That is seriously fucked up, as ysabel said I'm glad they dont allow this sort of stuff in the country I live in.
 

Nevyrmoore

AKA Ass-Bandit
#4
The first thing that came to my mind was WHAT THE F*CK IS WRONG WITH THAT GIRL'S FATHER?

He should be brought up on charges, as should the "groom". Sick bastards.
We're talking about a society that accepts this kind of thing. As it states in the article, it's "not against Islamic law to marry off girls who are 15 and younger". Not only that, Saudi Arabia has a form of Sunni Islam. All of this leads to the fact that while we can judge, we can't do jack shit. It's up to the country as a whole to decide if they should keep the practice or not.
 

Hiei

The Hierophant
#5
Not too long ago, women were put into arranged marriages almost as soon as they got their first period so that they could start a family. And that was completely acceptable. Then all of a sudden "love" came about and people started marrying eachother at whatever age.

Though I do see a problem with a 50+ year old marrying an 8 year old, the judge did put the stipulation on the marriage that they can't have sex until the girl hit puberty. And even though I don't know anything about the situation, it seems like the girl is simply collateral and the guy is holding on to her. They said that the father married her away so that he could pay for a debt, right? And that the guy that he married his daughter off to was his friend, right? Putting two and two together, I'd guess that the guy married off his daughter to his friend so that the daughter stays within reach of the original family, and the debt is paid off.
 

Merc

Certified Shitlord
V.I.P.
#6
We're talking about a society that accepts this kind of thing. As it states in the article, it's "not against Islamic law to marry off girls who are 15 and younger". Not only that, Saudi Arabia has a form of Sunni Islam. All of this leads to the fact that while we can judge, we can't do jack shit. It's up to the country as a whole to decide if they should keep the practice or not.
I was going to say the same thing.

It's hard to resist that imperialistic urge to waltz over there and slap these people on the wrists but this is how their culture runs. Now the question becomes, can it ever be right to impose our culture on others simply because they go against our beliefs? The answer to me is no, but it's hard to say that knowing what happens in countries like Saudi Arabia.
 

Lesley

Registered Member
#7
IMHO, that's the type of country who we should cut off completely from world trade... there's far more heinous stuff occuring there than there is in Cuba. But of course, because they have the oil, they're free to do whatever fucked up shit they choose to do and nobody will say a damn thing.
------
I was going to say the same thing.

It's hard to resist that imperialistic urge to waltz over there and slap these people on the wrists but this is how their culture runs. Now the question becomes, can it ever be right to impose our culture on others simply because they go against our beliefs? The answer to me is no, but it's hard to say that knowing what happens in countries like Saudi Arabia.

When it comes to protecting children from sickos who want to sell their children or take child brides...HELL YES!!!

It's not just our view...it's the view of probably every civilized nation in the world that children are not property to be married off to the highest bidder.
 
Last edited:

Hiei

The Hierophant
#8
IMHO, that's the type of country who we should cut off completely from world trade... there's far more heinous stuff occuring there than there is in Cuba. But of course, because they have the oil, they're free to do whatever fucked up shit they choose to do and nobody will say a damn thing.

Why? Just because you don't agree with it, that doesn't make it wrong. In fact, that makes you a bigot.
 

Merc

Certified Shitlord
V.I.P.
#9
IMHO, that's the type of country who we should cut off completely from world trade... there's far more heinous stuff occuring there than there is in Cuba. But of course, because they have the oil, they're free to do whatever fucked up shit they choose to do and nobody will say a damn thing.
I suggest you read some previous posts. It's ludicrous to say they're doing this stuff and getting away with it because they have oil. It's actually beyond crazy if you know your history. It's been part of their society for awhile now and it's simply a cultural that still works on a severely patriarchal set of principles that our country is working it's way out of (supposedly).

Not to mention, if you think this is heinous enough to get them cut off from world trade, why hasn't the US been cut off from anything after dropping nukes on Japan?

Just saying.
------
When it comes to protecting children from sickos who want to sell their children or take child brides...HELL YES!!!

It's not just our view...it's the view of probably every civilized nation in the world that children are not property to be married off to the highest bidder.
Sorry, but this sort of thinking is what's wrong with our country. This boils down to the "right vs. wrong" argument really because we're so convinced we have everything right that we force ourselves on other nations.

I'll ask you another question: Let's say your kid is required to take a course at school called, "Allah is the only way" where for an hour every day at school, they're forced into a class about Allah and how he is the one truth god, basically a conversion class. Would you be okay with that?
 
Last edited:

Nevyrmoore

AKA Ass-Bandit
#10
When it comes to protecting children from sickos who want to sell their children or take child brides...HELL YES!!!

It's not just our view...it's the view of probably every civilized nation in the world that children are not property to be married off to the highest bidder.
And then a shit-storm occurs. If a foreign country marches in and states "This is how you're going to run your lives", there will be international outcries, regardless of what the world as a whole thinks of the situation there. Plus, it would be seen as an hostile invasion, and every country allied to Saudi Arabia will call war on that country.

I'm sorry, but there is nothing we can peacefully do, and it's downright retarded to go the hostile route.
 
Last edited: